Minnesota: "Officials say woman bought weapon at a gun show"

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http://news.mpr.org/features/2003/10/01_scheckt_gun/
Officials say woman bought weapon at a gun show

by Tom Scheck, Minnesota Public Radio
October 1, 2003

Minneapolis, Minn. — Hennepin County Sheriff Pat McGowan says Susan Berkovitz used a Smith and Wesson .38 caliber revolver in the shootings of Shelley Joseph-Kordell and attorney Richard Hendrickson. He says Berkovitz told a sheriff's deputy that she bought the weapon at a gun show over the summer and did target practice with it to learn how to use the gun.

"The murder weapon has been indentified as a five-shot, revolver manufactured between 1890 and 1910. Since Smith and Wesson prior to this time did not use serial identification numbers, the weapon trace may be difficult but ATF continues to work on this," he said.

McGowan didn't specify which gun show Berkovitz attended and didn't say who she bought the gun from. He says they're still investigating.

Berkovitz' family and neighbors say Berkovitz displayed erratic behavior and often harassed individuals for no apparent reason. Her actions, however, wouldn't have prevented her from legally buying a gun at any of the gun shows that go on almost weekly in Minnesota.

Federal law requires gun dealers to do background checks on anyone who buys a gun from a dealer's store or from a gun show.

Joe Olson, executive director of the gun rights group Concealed Carry Reform Now, says dealers can't sell to anyone who's been convicted of a felony or certain misdemeanors. He also says licensed dealers can't sell a gun to anyone who's been committed to a mental hospital through a court order.

Since there are no records that Berkovitz committed any crimes or has been committed, Olson says Berkovitz would have passed a background check.

"The problem isn't that Ms. Berkovitz had a firearm. The problem is that Ms. Berkovitz hadn't been committed yet and it was clear to me from reading the articles that her family knew she should be and that they were simply delaying doing what needed to be done," he said.

But Berkovitz could have also bought a gun from a "gun collector" or from an individual who was at a gun show. These individuals are allowed to sell firearms to anyone without performing a background check. This is referred to as a "loophole" by gun control groups; one they'd like to close.

Rebecca Thoman, with Citizens for a Safer Minnesota, says it's possible that Berkovitz bought the gun from an individual dealer and wouldn't have to undergo a background check at all. Minnesota law, however, says the seller could be liable for any damage caused by the gun.

Thoman says she believes that many criminals and individuals who want to remain under the radar buy guns through collectors or individuals. She says most guns that are used in crimes aren't bought at a gun shop but through the secondary market.

"Either from an individual. From someonen who we call a straw purchaser who buys from the gins shops specifically to go sell it on the street or they get it through a gun show, through the newspaper, through the Internet. There are many mechanisms where by people sell to each other where's there's no real regulation and no background checking being done and that's where the majority of habndgun sales happen in this country," according to Thoman.

Thoman disagrees with Joe Olson's claim that the gun laws are strict enough. Gun show groups would disagree with Thoman and have been organizing to defeat any attempts to close the gun show "loophole."

Calls to the Minnesota Weapon's Collectors Association were not returned. That organization calls itself the "oldest and largest weapons collectors group in Minnesota." It also puts on several gun shows a year. The National Association of Arms Shows also didn't return calls. That organization's Web site, however, says it works to defend gun shows and opposes any efforts to close the gun show loophole.

©2003 Minnesota Public Radio
 
Officials say woman bought weapon at a gun show

In other breaking news, it was discovered that she bought her car at an auto dealership, and her food at the grocery store. Investigators are trying to make sense of this bizarre pattern... :rolleyes:

"The murder weapon has been indentified as a five-shot, revolver manufactured between 1890 and 1910. Since Smith and Wesson prior to this time did not use serial identification numbers, the weapon trace may be difficult but ATF continues to work on this," he said.

You need better information, honey. S&W has been using serial numbers since, oh, about 1857... One quick call to Roy Jinks will tell you more about that gun than you ever wanted to know. :p
 
Thoman says she believes that many criminals and individuals who want to remain under the radar buy guns through collectors or individuals

I guess the gangbanger on the corner is now referred to as a "collector or individual"? Its the ultimate in PC!
 
So the sheriff said:

"The murder weapon has been indentified as a five-shot, revolver manufactured between 1890 and 1910. Since Smith and Wesson prior to this time did not use serial identification numbers, the weapon trace may be difficult but ATF continues to work on this,"

Smith and Wesson’s historian, Roy Jinks will be surprised to hear this. S&W handguns were serial numbered starting with the first one in 1857, and most of the shipping records are still intact. Anyway, what particular individual or distributor originally received this gun back then is a moot point. This is just another instance where a known mental case that was potentially dangerous wasn’t institutionalized.

They admit that if she had submitted to a background check she would have passed it. There was nothing in her record to disqualify her. She could have walked into any gun shop, bought a modern revolver, filled out a #4473 form and passed a background check. After the shooting the ATF could have traced the gun to it’s origin, but what difference would that have made?
 
Another l'il detail..

If this gun was one of the old break-tops from that era, it may just be a C&R gun anyhow....?
 
Mark Tyson:

I think you missed my point …..

This article was pretty well balanced. But in another paper or some TV news report it might not be. Obviously this sheriff doesn’t know what he’s talking about - probably because he’s repeating something the ATF&E told him.

It might seem like a big joke, going into the history and all, but it’s the kind of a joke that can come back and haunt us. Remember the “cop-killer bullet†fiasco? Or the “Glock pistols are plastic and can’t be detected at the airport†nonsense? Well I expect that we may hear from the Brady Bunch & Friends about the “Antique Gun Loophole†next. Then the explanations about S&W serial numbering won’t seem so silly.

I’m well aware that most of the members who post here probably know that S&W handguns (as well as Colt’s and Ruger’s) have always been serial numbered. But there may be some that don’t, and lurkers especially might not know this. If this matter should develop into yet another battle over gun rights knowing some background history wouldn’t hurt.

Aside from the “rights issue†knowing the historical background of the guns you’re interested in can add to the pleasure of the pastime, and in some cases can be profitable if you discover something in a dealer’s showcase or at a gun show that’s priced way under what wuld be expected. As someone once said, “knowledge is power.â€
 
Just like every other "nutcase" shooting - remember the Fresno schoolground in 1989 - the authorities knew there was a problem but they were too lazy to deal with it. The county MH authorities, the city police, and her relatives all knew this woman was dangerous and ought to be committed.

Lori Reese lived next door to the Berkovitzes for a dozen years. Since the shootings, Reese is bothered by all the talk of why the Hennepin County Government Center lacks metal detectors. She wonders why the focus isn't on all the agencies -- from the library to the Red Cross to the police to housing inspectors to animal control workers to courthouse staff members -- who knew Berkovitz was unstable.

"Everyone knew it and nothing was done," Reese said. "Anything could set her off. She would turn a switch on and off and decide you were the person she was going to go after."

http://www.startribune.com/stories/462/4135530.html

This, however, will not be a story.
 
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