Minuteman founder Jim Gilchrist defeated

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Here's the L.A. Times' take on what happened yesterday:

http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-coxseat7dec07,0,7190560.story?coll=la-home-headlines
Republican Tops Border Activist in O.C. Election
By Jean O. Pasco
Times Staff Writer

December 7, 2005

A Republican state senator sailed to victory Tuesday in a special congressional election in coastal Orange County featuring a maverick, third-party candidate who sought to capitalize on growing fears of illegal immigration.

In a race that drew national attention, Sen. John Campbell (R-Irvine) held a wide lead throughout the evening, ending the night with nearly 45% of the vote. But it was Minuteman Project co-founder and first-time candidate Jim Gilchrist of the American Independent Party who drew the spotlight with his one-issue campaign.

Campbell, 50, was buoyant Tuesday night. "People always want to draw big conclusions, but campaigns ultimately are about the people who are running, and I'd like to think that voters thought I did a good job for them in the last five years," he said.

Democrat Steve Young finished second with 28%, and Gilchrist was third with 25%. Both candidates significantly boosted their totals over the October special election, while Campbell gained just 30 more votes.

Gilchrist lost the election, but he found victory in his showing.

"This is just a start," he said at a party Tuesday night in Lake Forest. "We've got a huge victory tonight because we've issued a wake-up call to America…. Our cause is not over, nor is my aspiration for my political career."

Experts said the five-person race could provide a unique opportunity to gauge the effectiveness of illegal immigration as an issue in Republican areas.

"Illegal immigration is the overwhelming issue in Orange County, and that's why he was able to come out of nowhere, because it was the perfect issue for Gilchrist to run on," said consultant Scott Hart, who supports Campbell.

But it wasn't enough, he said. "As a member of Congress, you have to tackle a number of critical issues facing this country."

Added Fred Smoller, a political science professor at Chapman University in Orange: "The share of the vote that Gilchrist receives will be watched across the nation by people like the president of the United States."

The district, which stretches from Newport Beach to Dana Point and as far inland as Tustin, has twice as many Republicans as Democrats, leaving little doubt that Campbell — strongly backed by the GOP establishment — would win easily.

Voters Tuesday chose among Campbell, Gilchrist, Democrat Steve Young, Libertarian Bruce Cohen and Béa Tiritilli of the Green Party.

Gilchrist, 56, a retired accountant from Aliso Viejo, upstaged the others in what would otherwise have been a routine exercise to anoint a GOP successor to former Rep. Christopher Cox (R-Newport Beach), now chairman of the Securities and Exchange Commission.

Gilchrist controlled the debate, focusing almost solely on illegal immigration. His views became fodder for radio and television talk shows and even a small mention in NBC's political drama, "The West Wing." In his television and radio ads, he suggested that his performance in the election would send a message to President Bush.

One radio spot said, "Every vote that Jim Gilchrist receives is a message to President Bush that his guest worker-amnesty program is wrong and that it's time to secure our borders now…. President Bush needs to hear from you, not with a phone call or a letter or an e-mail; he needs to see it at the polls."

Gilchrist's focus on protecting the U.S. border swayed Kevin Craib, 21, of Lake Forest, a construction manager and registered Republican who voted for Gilchrist.

"I'm a strong conservative, but this time I felt something should be done about illegal immigration, so I came out to vote," Craib said. "It's a big issue, and it's coming to a head. Even though he won't win, at least he brought the topic up for debate."

Gilchrist hit the national radar in April when he was a chief organizer of the Minuteman Project, volunteers watching the Mexican border in Arizona.

The race pushed Campbell to get campaign help from national GOP heavyweights. Fundraisers on both coasts helped the former car dealer, who was elected to the state Assembly in 2000. Vice President Dick Cheney spoke at a Campbell gathering in Washington, and Republican National Committee Chairman Ken Mehlman traveled to Orange County for an event.

Gilchrist counted on support from Rep. Tom Tancredo (R-Colo.), an outspoken opponent of illegal immigration. Tancredo drew the wrath of fellow Republicans by endorsing Gilchrist and appearing on radio and television advertisements urging voters to choose him.

Even Young, an attorney, got a late boost from his national party. Democratic National Committee Chairman Howard Dean recorded phone messages urging voters to turn out.

Gilchrist presented himself as a citizen activist. He demanded that the federal government control the border and punish employers providing the jobs for an estimated 10 million illegal immigrants in the United States. His message helped him raise $500,000 across the country — a startling sum for a minor-party candidate in such a safe district.

The election continued a whirlwind political career for Campbell, who served one four-year Assembly term and a portion of a second before being easily elected to an open state Senate seat.

The newly elected congressman will be sworn in immediately. So assured of his victory, Campbell and his family had already booked flights this morning to Washington. He also has picked many of his new staffers, who will begin work today.

His first order of business: "I don't even own a winter coat. I'm going to have to get one there."
 
Campbell said afterward that he would embrace a "rational style of politics" and said the election had rejected "extremism."

Riiiiight.

If you're against illegal immigration you are obviously insane--and this from a REPUBLICAN. The fix is in.
 
The horror - a vigilante (using the term President Bush coined for them) running for office.
Longeyes, yes - the fix is in. Get ready to embrace the great Guest Worker Amesty program. It's got to be good, Bush came up with it.
 
Gilchrest needs to start laying the groundwork, when Campbell has nothing to show for himself in two years, challenge him in the Republican primary, and win.
 
It's strange how much illegal immigration is just tolerated in this country. With all of the concerns over national security and the like, we're still letting just about anyone waltz into the country as they please.

Zell Miller mentions in his book that states along the border were actually trying to approve government funding to build bathrooms and water fountains in areas where illegals cross so that they aren't thirsty!
 
I would hardly say defeated. As a third party candidate, pulling 25% of the vote, on an anti-illegal immigration campaign in California, speaks volumes.

The real translation is that Gilchrist pulled 25% of the conservative votes away from Republicans, in Orange County that may not matter much. But quite a few races are decided by less than a 25% or even 1% margin.

Either Republicans will catch on now, or after the Dems get their seats in close races.
 
Gilchrist is more than a "one-issue" candidate but he had the courage to run on the one issue that is vitally important yet remains the biggest stealth issue in politics, even now.

I think there is no place for Gilchrist in today's Republican party, any more than there really is for Tom Tancredo. If and when we see Gilchrist running as a Republican, we should be very worried, and very disappointed. I think Gilchrist is the tip of the spear that will move us toward another party.
 
Tequila_Sauer said:
Zell Miller mentions in his book that states along the border were actually trying to approve government funding to build bathrooms and water fountains in areas where illegals cross so that they aren't thirsty!

This nation does quite a bit of stupid crap like that... offering heroin addicts free needles, providing free condoms to students, and free abortions to pregnant teens... why should water fountains for illegals be any different? It's called stupidity and liberals peddle it!
 
It's strange how much illegal immigration is just tolerated in this country. With all of the concerns over national security and the like, we're still letting just about anyone waltz into the country as they please.

Some of this is due to ignorance, some to passivity.

But I think the American people have, naively, being good and trusting souls, believed that their elected representatives would do right by them. I think slowly but surely they are awakening to the grim reality that they cannot trust the politicians to safeguard their futures or their children's. What happens when this really sinks in is anyone's guess.
 
NCP24 said:
I would say 25% of the vote is a good start.
Indeed. Now, the other Pols will stick their collectve fingers in the air and realise that the winds are shifting. I figure that it's too late, but it rasps the soul to give up without a fight.
Biker
 
[QUOTE=Camp David]This nation does quite a bit of stupid crap like that... offering heroin addicts free needles, providing free condoms to students, and free abortions to pregnant teens... why should water fountains for illegals be any different? It's called stupidity and liberals peddle it![/QUOTE]

We have a drug problem in this country... why compound it by making it an HIV or Hepatitis problem too? Just because some people want to stick their heads in the sand and pretend that children won't have unprotected sex if we don't provide protection from PREGNANCY(which would not require abortions if it was prevented) and disease, doesn't mean they won't do what they are gonna do... We need "stupid crap" sometimes to ensure that social ills are addressed... You can push "morals" and "family values", but in the long run, not everyone has a stable familial support background. Not everyone is capable of pulling themselves out of self-induced failure...
Both conservatives and liberals do some pretty stupid stuff...
 
longeyes said:
I think there is no place for Gilchrist in today's Republican party, any more than there really is for Tom Tancredo.
Actually, there's very little place for true Republicans in today's republican party. :(
 
The trouble is, he picked Orange County to run in. Those rich white people would die if they had to do their own laundry, and the only ones that will do it for them are the illegals.
 
We have a drug problem in this country... why compound it by making it an HIV or Hepatitis problem too? Just because some people want to stick their heads in the sand and pretend that children won't have unprotected sex if we don't provide protection from PREGNANCY(which would not require abortions if it was prevented) and disease, doesn't mean they won't do what they are gonna do...
Not necessarily untrue, but only half the story. Whatever you subsidize, you get more of. It's axiomatic. Want a homeless problem in your town? Build a homeless shelter. Like that.
 
You mean like gun crime? easier access or sale of guns = more illegal firearms?
I think you're confused. You see, criminals commit crimes, guns don't commit crimes. Got it?
 
but without the guns, they have a harder time commiting certain acts... so if you don't have the gun available in the first place, the criminal won't commit the crime, right, just like kids won't have sex if you don't give them condoms... (sarcasm)
And plenty of people are killed by folks who aren't neccesarily criminals, kill then become criminals
 
I am not anti-gun... I am very progun... I just threw the gun comparison out there for the pregnacy, needle, etc comment.
 
Well, we have rampant drug use and teenage pregnancy anyway. How much more could there be after offering up condoms and needles? There are so many people willing to shhot themselves up with drugs. The presence or absence of clean needles isn't going to attract or deter anyone... "Boy, I thought about doing heroin, but no... wait a minute! Free needles? I am so there!" :)

Driving problems underground doesn't solve them. It lets them fester and grow out-of-sight, just to erupt much bigger and badder at a later date.
 
but without the guns, they have a harder time commiting certain acts... so if you don't have the gun available in the first place, the criminal won't commit the crime, right, just like kids won't have sex if you don't give them condoms... (sarcasm)
And plenty of people are killed by folks who aren't neccesarily criminals, kill then become criminals
Whatever all that means.........

Actions have consequences, and it is not society's responsibility to shield everyone from the consequences of their actions. Abandoning standards is not the way to reduce self destructive behavior. Enabling self destructive behavior is a sure way to promote its continuance and growth. See how it works?
 
I grew up in Orange County, though I haven't lived there for years.

I heard Jim Gilchrist on the radio. He didn't sound to me like someone I'd really get behind in an election, though I support what he did at the border.

25% is a high number, actually, for a one-issue candidate. But there's more to life than that one issue, even here along the border.
 
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