Minutemen build fence along border

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Minutemen build fence along border
http://kvoa.com/Global/story.asp?S=4958256

Members of the Minuteman Project are in Cochise County building a barb-wired fence along the U.S. Mexico border this weekend.

Hundreds of volunteers are erecting a fence for a private ranch which is just feet from the international line.

From afar, it appears as a village of volunteers, each with a desire to provide security.

They are men and women from Arizona, and many from out of state.

Shelsey Scavenger came in from Los Angeles, "Because I feel so strongly about this issue and I want to help clean trash along the border."

Iowa Congressman Steve King says illegal immigration effects all of America.

King says, "They haven't had the support that I think they should have had, so if some of us can come down here and help set some posts and build a fence and, more importantly, lend a voice to this effort, we have got to seal this border."

Money to build this fence is courtesy of private donations including one from Bill Johnson, who says, "Yes, I contributed $3,000 to this campaign because the American government isn't contributing and we have to, so we're volunteering."

According to the president of the Minuteman Project, this event gathers the courage of their convictions.

Chris Simcox said, "We have no confidence in the Senate or in the President when they want to reward people for breaking our laws and putting border security at the end of the line."

For many, they believe erecting their own fence will serve as a powerful image in history.

Stan Ferrell said, "When we look back in time, we'll see that the Minutemen, in times when the government needs to have a little bit more time to get its act together, the Minuteman rises to the occasion and they take the civil defense of the country into their own hands."

Border Patrol agents are in the area, as are the Minutemen, and in just a few days, the National Guard will arrive.

The question now is just what will it take to halt the flow of illegal immigration.
 
Good for them! I have a fence just feet of my property line, “good fences make for good neighbors”.
 
Chris Simcox said, "We have no confidence in the Senate or in the President when they want to reward people for breaking our laws and putting border security at the end of the line."
I couldn't have said it better myself. Kudos to the minuteman and the people who donate.
Maybe? this will send a message to our government? Yea right!!:barf:
Are the donations tax deductible? and where can we send donations?:)
Just for the record, I have no confidence in our government period!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:cuss: :banghead: :fire: :mad: :rolleyes:
 
The California chapter got some fence up last month, Anderson Cooper covered it for CNN. Its not going to end illegal immigration, but its a start. Weve set a precidence now.
Viva America.
 
I fully support the Minutemen and either them or the government building a fence. However, these "symbolic" barb wire fences they are building are not helping the drive to have a fence built. When I saw the first fence they built even I laughed. In my opinion their symbolic fence should have been a short section of the actual fence that will be used, not a small barb wire fence. It would have let people who are unsure of the idea of a fence see what it would actually look like. Just my opinion.
 
It was used to patch sections of existing fence...thats whta much of it looks like out there. In many areas there is NO fence. Perhaps people think weve got a berlin wall down there.
 
The real drama will begin when the Federal gov't rips down the Minutemen fence. It's only a matter of time before the bulldozers arrive. Perhaps that will be an important inflection point for the true struggle to emerge.
 
A fence and/or a wall is one essential component of the solution. It is imperative to reduce the sheer physical numbers of illegal aliens in the U.S. if we are ever to have a chance to control this problem. Supppose we could effectively bar all employment of illegals with employer sanctions; then suppose that the illegal migrants just keep coming and throw themselves on our mercy, generosity, and, yes, guilt. Already there are so many here that we are facing a logistical nightmare virtually unprecedented in human history. Want millions more to deal with?

Here's the bottom-line if we don't stop the flow: Either we are swamped or we end up committing genocide.
 
One thing most posters seem to miss is that a great portion of illegals (nobody knows for sure of course, but quite possibly it's even most) do not do the stereotypical midnight run across the border, but simply overstay visas and never return. Entering the US legally is not difficult, and a fence will do nothing to stop illegals coming in that way, just make more of them choose that route.

But it'll cost a few billion and give the gullible base some distracting red meat (strangely enough the same base that usually decries wasteful government spending) so no doubt our little Colonel Klinks will get their fence.
 
No matter how you cut it, man, you've got to stop MORE people from coming here illegally. And the answer is NOT to make EVERYONE who wants in legal--which is what the Senate would love to do. That way lies the dissolution of what's left of this Republic and will provoke civil war or, eventually, a mass exodus equal to the influx.

No one here believes a wall ALONE is the answer to anything, but watching your community engorge with unwanted illegal newcomers, however they got here, is a prelude to social horror.

America has enough troubles abroad right now and even troubles dealing with its own fiscal problems. The question we need to ask is why so many in Congress and the business community want the American Republic to swallow a poison pill?
 
Well, that's very romantic, but we no longer have three million people living here and we do have a very expensive government.

Vastly increasing immigration, legal or otherwise, will not dismantle the welfare state, it will universalize it. Tribal Socialism is our future, with every ethnic sub-group claiming entitlements based on blood.
 
Tribal Socialism is our future

It certainly is, if we put our efforts into border minefields, universal RFID systems, and other ways to reduce our own freedoms. How about a little work on cutting the government back to Constitutional size? For now, the Congress seems to have remembered the existence of the Constitution (just because the FBI is raiding them, I guess, but let's not quibble about the sources of good fortune)...
 
"One thing most posters seem to miss is that a great portion of illegals (nobody knows for sure of course, but quite possibly it's even most) do not do the stereotypical midnight run across the border, but simply overstay visas and never return."

I seriously question this. I have nothing to back it up, but this seems hard for me to believe.
Several years ago, I drew an Arizona Javalina tag in an area right on the US/Mexico border for the Handgun Archery Muzzleloader (HAM) season. I hunted there for one day and personally saw hundreds of illegals running through the desert. Yes, I do mean hundreds. I actually gave a group of them my water when I found them drinking out of a cattle trough probably 30-40 miles from the nearest town.
That got me thinking: if I personally saw hundreds in that one little area in one day, the scope of this problem is unbelievable.
Seriously, if you see something like this with your own two eyes, you almost break down crying. It is incredible.

"Those who can't distinguish between "affect" and "effect" shouldn't try to masquerade as journalists."
I can't. Educate me. I often wonder about this.
 
I can't. Educate me. I often wonder about this.

Cambridge International Dictionary of English

affect (INFLUENCE) Show phonetics
verb [T]
to have an influence on someone or something, or to cause them to change:
Both buildings were badly affected by the fire.
The divorce affected every aspect of her life.
It's a disease which affects mainly older people.
I was deeply affected by the film (= It caused strong feelings in me).

affecting Show phonetics
adjective FORMAL
causing a strong emotion, especially sadness:
It was an affecting sight.

effect (RESULT) Show phonetics
noun [C or U]
1 the result of a particular influence:
The radiation leak has had a disastrous effect on/upon the environment.
I tried taking tablets for the headache but they didn't have any effect.
I think I'm suffering from the effects of too little sleep.
She has a lot of confidence which she uses to good effect (= to her advantage) in interviews.
See also after effects.

2 take effect to produce or achieve the results you want:
They had to wait ten minutes for the anaesthetic to take effect before they stitched up the cut.

3 MAINLY DISAPPROVING for effect If you say or do something for effect, you intentionally do it to shock people or attract their attention:
I get the impression that she uses bad language in meetings for effect.
 
A fence is a deterent, like a good alarm system

To my fellow "highroaders," if you have not lived in CA, Arizona, New Mexico, etc, and LIVED WITH WHAT IS GOING ON, with all due respect, you do not know what you are talking about. Have you seen the closed hospitals due to free medical care for illegals that never gets paid? Have you seen the rampant crime caused by illegals? The rapes, the murders, the robberies, to have them just whisk back across the border, only to show up again a year later under another name? (Check out the FBI crime stats for CA. for a real eye opener.) Have you seen the welfare fraud? MY little town of only 20K reported dozens of PO boxes containing multiple Welfare and SS checks in the same box. One had 47 different names. No, you won't keep them all out, but if you wall off the border, you WILL force many to try different routes, Routes that can be better watched.
 
Several years ago, I drew an Arizona Javalina tag in an area right on the US/Mexico border for the Handgun Archery Muzzleloader (HAM) season. I hunted there for one day and personally saw hundreds of illegals running through the desert. Yes, I do mean hundreds. I actually gave a group of them my water when I found them drinking out of a cattle trough probably 30-40 miles from the nearest town.
That got me thinking: if I personally saw hundreds in that one little area in one day, the scope of this problem is unbelievable.
Seriously, if you see something like this with your own two eyes, you almost break down crying. It is incredible. ]

I've heard estimates that one-third of illegals are the result of overstayed visas. I'm not sure what the source of that statistic is. To me it sounds exaggerated, for the reasons mentioned above: they are coming in in a flood.

The sheer magnitude of the influx is going to challenge not only our political stability but all of our assumptions about a humane morality. I think in the end we will either become ruthless or perish as a nation. If we are afraid to be strong enough to survive, because we might offend Mexico or the U.N. or Europeans, then we are done. We are being tested. Do we want to be strong survivors or honorable and noble losers? When you are confronted with an absurd situation--and our current immigratioin plight, make no mistake about it, IS absurd--all bets are off.
 
One is a noun and the other a verb.
I don't see myself remembering that, but it might help.
 
To my fellow "highroaders," if you have not lived in CA, Arizona, New Mexico, etc, and LIVED WITH WHAT IS GOING ON, with all due respect, you do not know what you are talking about. Have you seen the closed hospitals due to free medical care for illegals that never gets paid? Have you seen the rampant crime caused by illegals? The rapes, the murders, the robberies, to have them just whisk back across the border, only to show up again a year later under another name? (Check out the FBI crime stats for CA. for a real eye opener.) Have you seen the welfare fraud? MY little town of only 20K reported dozens of PO boxes containing multiple Welfare and SS checks in the same box. One had 47 different names. No, you won't keep them all out, but if you wall off the border, you WILL force many to try different routes, Routes that can be better watched.

+1 (with some exceptions)

Affect means influence; effect means cause.
 
But if it's a problem with millions upon millions of illegals, how is seeing hundreds significant? Hundreds are after all a tiny fraction of millions. I could wait at the airport a few hours and see hundreds of foreigners coming in on visas they may outstay. Would that be an argument?

Think of it this way: If you personally were a would-be illegal immigrant and you had the ability to get a visa and just walk in without the long hard trek across the desert would you do so or would you risk the Great Escape style dash just for fun?


BTW the link below is hardly from a namnby pamby liberal pinko commie fag enabler group and they argue 41%. Real numbers on immigration NOT from pressure groups with a vested interest in making everything look like the sky is falling would probably show a lower number of border crossers and therefore an even higher ratio of visa overstays.

http://www.theamericanresistance.com/ref/illegal_alien_numbers.html
 
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