jimmyraythomason
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FWIW,odorless mineral spirits is just as effective as gasoline at removing cosmoline and a LOT safer to use.
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Mitchell's Mausers questions
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ThomasT
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Yep and it cost a lot more also. I just bought a gallon jug of it. I am one of the people that uses the search function and a couple of folks wrote that since mineral spirits are oil based they seal the cosmoline in the wood. I grew up working in my dads machine shop and gas was the "go to" cleaner of choice.
Anyway it done and was fast and easy.
So does anyone have any suggestions on bending the bolt. I found on the seach that the bolt kits that you drill and tap are not recommended. I don't know rather I should heat and bend or notch the bottom and bend and weld. I will never mount a scope.
Anyway it done and was fast and easy.
So does anyone have any suggestions on bending the bolt. I found on the seach that the bolt kits that you drill and tap are not recommended. I don't know rather I should heat and bend or notch the bottom and bend and weld. I will never mount a scope.
jimmyraythomason
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Never had mineral spirits to seal cosmo into the wood myself. Gasoline is VERBOTEN in every shop I've worked in. I am retired from 38 years in the transportation industry and never has gasoline been an acceptable parts cleaner(using it can get you fired). My last mil-surp clean up was a 1938 Turk Mauser. I used oderless mineral spirits(paint reducer) and compressed air. Cleaned up very well and very quickly. No smell either. To each his own though.
Mr_Pale_Horse
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Here is decent description of how to properly add an angled bolt. Remember, that all working surfaces of any otherwise soft Mauser receiver, are case hardened to allow it to function and not wear. Only heat what has to be heated, and heat sink the rest.
http://www.gswagner.com/bb/mauboltssolder/mauboltssolder.html
Another tried and true method involves cutting flipping and rewelding the existing handle at different angle.
http://www.gswagner.com/bb/mauboltssolder/mauboltssolder.html
Another tried and true method involves cutting flipping and rewelding the existing handle at different angle.
My son bought both of us a MM K98. We were looking for shooters in VG condition. We are very pleased with what we got. They are the premium grade and everything is like new.. All matching SN's clear manf marking and factory location and bright bore. Mine is dead on at 100 yds with iron sights.
Don't go with MM if you want a more authentic look.
Don't go with MM if you want a more authentic look.
ThomasT
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Pale Horse thanks for the link. Before I do anything else I am going to test fire the rifle first. It may not shoot well enough to mess with.
Everything looks good so hopefuly it will at least stay in a 3" circle at a hundred. I have several diferent loads to try out.
Everything looks good so hopefuly it will at least stay in a 3" circle at a hundred. I have several diferent loads to try out.
gun addict
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moe, you do know that the reason your MM K98k is matching is cause those guys scrubbed and restamped all the serial numbers, right?
Seriously, i don't understand why people pay $400 for a MM mauser instead of just buying a good shooter RC or YC K98k for $250, heck, even now you can find unissued M48 mauers on Gunbroker for less than $200
Seriously, i don't understand why people pay $400 for a MM mauser instead of just buying a good shooter RC or YC K98k for $250, heck, even now you can find unissued M48 mauers on Gunbroker for less than $200
ThomasT
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I paid $162 for the yugo rifle I bought from J&G Sales. Thats a lot cheaper the what MM wants for one of their guns. The picture on J&Gs site doesn't really show you what you will get.
Because of the threads like this saying don't buy from MM you can get the same gun from others like J&G and Century for $2-300 less if you are willing to clean it yourself I bought the gun from J&G. Well it doesn't look like the rifles in MM ads. No amount of cleaning will make it look that good.
If someone wants a MM that is all clean and spiffy then I will not fault them for their choice.
And the numbers on my gun match on the bolt and receiver. The stock, trigger guard and floor plate do not match and have the numbers struck out and new numbers stamped on. And it wouldn't surprise me if the bolt isn't the original either.
Because of the threads like this saying don't buy from MM you can get the same gun from others like J&G and Century for $2-300 less if you are willing to clean it yourself I bought the gun from J&G. Well it doesn't look like the rifles in MM ads. No amount of cleaning will make it look that good.
If someone wants a MM that is all clean and spiffy then I will not fault them for their choice.
And the numbers on my gun match on the bolt and receiver. The stock, trigger guard and floor plate do not match and have the numbers struck out and new numbers stamped on. And it wouldn't surprise me if the bolt isn't the original either.
ThomasT
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Thats funny right there.
I have looked at a couple of MM rifles and they look good. There is nothing wrong with a nice looking rifle. I would like to have one of the tankers even if KRS thinks they look "Gay".
I bet they are an ear bustin' sucker when you light one off. And yes why is the .308 a hundred bucks more? Stupid. I would get the 8mm anyway since I think its a better round.The word is out that they aren't "Real" mausers. So what? If they are safe to shoot and are reported to be accurate then why not get one if thats what you want? I bought my Yugo because I wanted a tough, knock around rifle that didn't have to be babied. Thats what I got. I just hope it shoots well.
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I know a guy who used to clean parts in gas. I said used to.
Today after several skin grafts and a few years of terrible pain from second degree burns he no longer uses gas.
Today after several skin grafts and a few years of terrible pain from second degree burns he no longer uses gas.
Lots of different prices
I'm confused about this. Mitchell's lists a collector's grade K98k German Mauser with markings for $399. A lot of prices are being thrown around for K98 mausers here. When I look around I see prices ranging from $200 and up. If you are buying at $200 you are looking at words like...fair condition, stock repairs, split stock, dark bore may clean up, have checked by gunsmith before firing ect. You get the picture. The Mitchell's mausers look decent though I have never handled one. Is it really that bad a deal to get a nice looking rifle that has been cleaned up and will be a good shooter? I would just worry about investing $250 in a K98 and need a new stock and barrel and still not have look as good as the Mitchell's. I am not a Mitchell's expert though and don't know if their advertising is not what you get.
Tough choice.
I'm confused about this. Mitchell's lists a collector's grade K98k German Mauser with markings for $399. A lot of prices are being thrown around for K98 mausers here. When I look around I see prices ranging from $200 and up. If you are buying at $200 you are looking at words like...fair condition, stock repairs, split stock, dark bore may clean up, have checked by gunsmith before firing ect. You get the picture. The Mitchell's mausers look decent though I have never handled one. Is it really that bad a deal to get a nice looking rifle that has been cleaned up and will be a good shooter? I would just worry about investing $250 in a K98 and need a new stock and barrel and still not have look as good as the Mitchell's. I am not a Mitchell's expert though and don't know if their advertising is not what you get.
Tough choice.
Mr_Pale_Horse
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It is not a bad deal to get a clean, fully functioning, shooter mauser in K98 configuration. The issue is whether that they are/were marketed as being more or less authentic, when in reality they are parts guns. And some, like M48 Yugos, had absolutely no WWII involvement.
Most issued K98s saw the worst possible scenario. I have read, that when German units surrendered en masse, that bolts went into one pile, the rest of the mauser in another. No effort was ever made to keep these weapons as usable, until some time later when demand increased for them in places like Israel, Africa, Asian proxy wars, etc.
I will not own any post WW I German made mausers. They are simply too difficult to find in any kind of 'known' condition, and often demand prices out of proportion to their value as a shooter owing to the WWII mystique.
Swedish Mausers, South American Contract Mausers, Turks, Yugos all were much easier to find in collectable condition simply because these weapons were never used in war.
So, as for Mitchell's Mauser being a 'WWII war relic', it's probable that parts of any given one are of that vintage. For them to claim anything else is just making stuff up.
Most issued K98s saw the worst possible scenario. I have read, that when German units surrendered en masse, that bolts went into one pile, the rest of the mauser in another. No effort was ever made to keep these weapons as usable, until some time later when demand increased for them in places like Israel, Africa, Asian proxy wars, etc.
I will not own any post WW I German made mausers. They are simply too difficult to find in any kind of 'known' condition, and often demand prices out of proportion to their value as a shooter owing to the WWII mystique.
Swedish Mausers, South American Contract Mausers, Turks, Yugos all were much easier to find in collectable condition simply because these weapons were never used in war.
So, as for Mitchell's Mauser being a 'WWII war relic', it's probable that parts of any given one are of that vintage. For them to claim anything else is just making stuff up.
ThomasT
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Mythbuster I am guessing you are refering to my post about using gas to clean up my gun. You mentioned second degree burns? I have never heard of gas giving burns to anyone unless they were on fire. I mean you shouldn't bathe in the stuff.
I have been using gas to clean things like the foam air filters on my motorcycles and wheel bearings since I was 12 years old (52 now) and have never suffered the slightest effect from it. I am far more concernd about all the chemicals I have used to kill bugs than gas contamination. On the plus side it worked very well and I barely touched it. It was quick and easy.
On the positive side the Yugo I bought looks like it has a new barrel. it is bright and shiny with that "new barrel smell". The rounds i chambered seem tight. I suppose the head space is good. Shooting it will tell the tale. If it will stay within 3" or so at a hundred yards I will consider it a bargain.
I have been using gas to clean things like the foam air filters on my motorcycles and wheel bearings since I was 12 years old (52 now) and have never suffered the slightest effect from it. I am far more concernd about all the chemicals I have used to kill bugs than gas contamination. On the plus side it worked very well and I barely touched it. It was quick and easy.
On the positive side the Yugo I bought looks like it has a new barrel. it is bright and shiny with that "new barrel smell". The rounds i chambered seem tight. I suppose the head space is good. Shooting it will tell the tale. If it will stay within 3" or so at a hundred yards I will consider it a bargain.
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