"Model" pistols with functioning/firing dummy cartridges?

[1KPerDay]

When I was in my early teens in the early 80s my dad bought me a Japanese (almost positive) model kit of the Beretta 84, 85, or 87 I think. Which looked real and felt real in every way (I remember being shocked at how heavy it was) and came with little brass dummy cartridges that you could screw apart and insert a primer or cap of some sort and it would actually fire and eject them. Does anyone know if these are available and what they cost? I lost track of it in my chaotic home and I would like something to replace it, unless they cost the same as a real Beretta.

 

[troy fairweather]

i have a japan 1911A1 from the 50s don't remember the maker but its a cool little gun. most real 1911 parts will fit on it to, wish i had some of the cases to fire it. hope some will know more about these. wish i could help.

 

[1KPerDay]

Sounds like this is what I probably had. ModelGun. MGC or RMI with closed blowback cartridges Probably from what I read here. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Modelguns

Sounds like airsoft pretty much killed them.

 

[lysanderxiii]

I have one of those, got it back in the late 1970s, a Beretta 1934. This model didn't have the firing pin in the barrel so it won't pop caps.

The Japanese market was the big pusher for replica guns, but the laws on the use of metal in them made the manufacturers move to plastic airsoft guns.

 

[kBob]

I have had a number of the early 1970's Replica Models pass through my hands. P38 Walther was close enough that I had no difficulty field stripping real ones when doing Project Partnership with the West German Army a year later. 1911A1 lacked a barrel link and locking lugs, but other than that came apart like the ones I had already learned to strip in high school. Both of those lacked a firing pin in the breech but their were dummys that could be hand cycled and loaded with caps for a single shot and hand cycleing. The PPk I do not recall having dummies.

The Thompson M 1928A1 not only had dummies, when loaded with caps they CYCLED semi or full auto. This one did NOT strip like an original though.

I seem to recall a buds Madsen M50 SMG model had a couple of dummies but don't think his Patchett could use any.

The Patchett once got me a visit from a pair of Tallahassee Police Officers after I unloaded my stuff from my car to my apartment a distance of maybe ten yards. Case those suckers in public.

-kBob

 

[Mizar]

You can take a look at some replica blank firing guns, but the build quality has a lot to be desired. Good quality replicas are made by Rohm and Umarex in Germany, but they cost more - the affordable ones that go for $100-150 are low quality Italian and Turkish guns.

An example:
http://www.collectorsarmoury.com/products.asp?dept=33&val=0&pagenumber=1

 

[CapnMac]

I have a bit of a unicorn in that, somewhere in the 60s, probably somewhere between 67 & 69, I was given a toy rifle. Which might have been a 1903 (might have been an M-14, but I do not remember a magazine). Why this sticks in my memory is that it used a plastic "cartridge" containing a spring into which the stem of a plastic "bullet" was inserted, and the whole would "fire" bullet rather a long way across the wood floors of my grandfather's house.
Said toy was confiscated soon after discovering this item had a range greater than the inside of the house.
Never saw it, nor its like after or since.

I built some of the L/S scale gun kits back in the 80s to lesser and greater effect. Even some of the Combat Series. Scored a kit that was also airsoft of an M-16 plus M203, which remains unbuilt.

 

[milemaker13]

While not the same, I purchased a couple interesting pellet guns at sears in mexico sometime around 2000. One looked like a generic target pistol, the other looked like a classic derringer. They broke open and you would load a .22 blank (starter gun type charge) behind a solid base .177 pellet. They were very cool. Also had no issue buying them or packing them to return home. However i seem to have misplaced them... i have not seen them in years, although i do still have the "ammo packs".

 

[1KPerDay]

I would love a pellet rifle that took 209 primers... anything like that exist?

 

[jonnyc]

I've got one of those but I think it's defective. Want me to send it to you for proper disposal? Couldn't resist!

 

[1KPerDay]

LOL you sly dog

 

[Mizar]

I would love a pellet rifle that took 209 primers... anything like that exist?

Pedersoli White Hawk - https://www.dixiegunworks.com/index...duct_name/PR4075+WHITE+HAWK+#209+RIFLE++4.5MM

 

[MedWheeler]

I have three of the "non-capping" from back in the eighties, sourced from an outfit known as "Collector's Armoury", in Alexandria, Virginia.

The 1911A1 lacks a pin or pin hole, but breaks down like the original.

The "Python" looks more like a Diamondback; its cylinder is more the size of one for .38 than .357 Magnum.

The oddball is the Nazi-marked PPK. The hammer is a dummy, and the lockwork for the trigger action is set up that, when the trigger (which cannot be cocked) is pulled, the slide cycles.

I only bought the dummy cartridges for the revolver, but they were available for all three models.

I think I read that what was once Collector's Armoury might be MaxArmory here in Florida.

 

[1KPerDay]

Pedersoli White Hawk - https://www.dixiegunworks.com/index/page/product/product_id/8952/category/317/category_chain/312,313,317/product_name/PR4075+WHITE+HAWK+#209+RIFLE++4.5MM

Thanks! Anyone know if these are legally considered firearms?

 

[theotherwaldo]

I have a bit of a unicorn in that, somewhere in the 60s, probably somewhere between 67 & 69, I was given a toy rifle. Which might have been a 1903 (might have been an M-14, but I do not remember a magazine). Why this sticks in my memory is that it used a plastic "cartridge" containing a spring into which the stem of a plastic "bullet" was inserted, and the whole would "fire" bullet rather a long way across the wood floors of my grandfather's house.
Said toy was confiscated soon after discovering this item had a range greater than the inside of the house.
Never saw it, nor its like after or since.

I built some of the L/S scale gun kits back in the 80s to lesser and greater effect. Even some of the Combat Series. Scored a kit that was also airsoft of an M-16 plus M203, which remains unbuilt.

-Sounds like the Mattel Shootin' Shell toys.
I had a Fanner .50 that used these shells when I was 4 or 5.
I've never seen one in M1903 or M14 configuration - most were "Cowboys and Indians" or "Private Eye" guns.

 

[CapnMac]

Sounds like the Mattel Shootin' Shell toys.

Checking out a couple videos, I can say, it was not one of those.
Cartridges were distinctly bottle-necked, and about .30-06 size. "Bullet" had a tail about as long as the case (and may have been what rhe firing pin hit). Only had it in my hands barely an hour or so.
Given my relatives and the range they spanned in the day, it could have been an HK or Japan BX (or small local shop) import.
Unicorn hunting continues []

 

[Dr.Rob]

I had a friend with a PPK like that. He bought it as a kit and it was pretty pricey in the 80's.