Modern equivalent of 357 revolver/carbine combo?

[Seattleimport]

Sharing ammunition between your handgun and your rifle makes a lot of sense to me. It's efficient. I've had my eye on the classic revolver/carbine combo (in 38/357 or 45 long colt), but was wondering if there's an equivalent for modern pistols (semiautomatics). Any ideas?

 

[tyeo098]

Probably a pistol carbine/SMG with a handgun in the same caliber.

MP5/M9 comes to mind.
AR in 45 and a 1911?

 

[Jason_W]

If someone would release a 10mm carbine, that would fill the bill nicely.

I know Mechtech makes an upper that attaches to a Glock receiver that can accomplish this to a degree.

 

[Cosmoline]

I hate to say this, but the FN 5.7 has both pistol and carbine for it. Great idea to make them together, though the round itself is.. meh.

 

[JFrame]

Another combo would be the Beretta CX4 which, depending on the configuration, can share magazines with either the PX4 or the 92.


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[RX-178]

Glock pistols and one of any number of pistol caliber carbines that take Glock mags (Kel-Tec Sub-2000, JR Carbine, Kriss Super V, etc.)

 

[Teachu2]

I have a 1911 and a Hi Point carbine, both in .45acp. I also have a Ruger pistol and a 10/22, so there's two "sets".

 

[dom1104]

Its only efficient if its the only handgun and rifle you own.

If you have a "pair" and a whole bunch of other guns, the efficiency is lost.

 

[Seattleimport]

Thanks! I didn't know that some carbines actually accepted pistol magazines--now that's real efficiency. I have an XDm9 pistol; I wonder if Springfield makes a carbine that accepts their magazines. I'll hit the Springfield site after this.

What's the performance of the 9mm cartridge through a carbine? Does it really achieve rifle-like range/performance?

 

[dprice3844444]

sig 357 is.

http://www.mechtechsys.com/

 

[TurtlePhish]

9mm at 50yds through a carbine is like a .357 out of a 2.5" barrel point blank, or so I've heard.

 

[GrandmasterB]

H&K USC in 45ACP and the .45 handgun of your choice...



Or Kel-Tec Sub2000 in 9mm or .40S&W and the handgun of your choice.

 

[JHenry]

Surprised noone mentioned the Kriss, although it is really expensive.

 

[RX-178]

Hey now, I mentioned it!

 

[BCRider]

What's the performance of the 9mm cartridge through a carbine? Does it really achieve rifle-like range/performance?

Any of the handgun rounds through a longer carbine barrel will be faster by some amount. But rifle like? Not a hope. The extra speed will allow you to reach out farther and keep the trajectory flatter but even the "lowly" .30-30 shooting the same weight of bullet is going faster, farther and flatter than what you'll get from a pistol round out of a carbine.

I used the .30-30 as an example since so many rifle folks seem to consider it as barely adequite these days for a lot of hunting. I don't believe that myself but it's a popular view on the "interwebz".

Compared to other rifle rounds it's considered a little "lazy" and "only" good for hunting out to around 150'ish yards. And we're talking about a 150gn bullet moving along at around 2300 to 2400 fps. Your semi auto cartridge handgun carbines are not going to match that sort of performance by a long shot.

I'm hot and cold about the idea of a matching carbine. First off 9mm from a carbine is not much different than shooting .22. And since I shoot strictly for fun it doesn't create much in the way of giggles. And locally there's just no club or other level matches to use such guns in. So for me that makes it strictly a plinker. And frankly while the ones I've gotten to shoot are OK I'd rather put my ammo through handguns instead.

The Beretta CX4 Storm is particularly smooth and boring to shoot thanks to a smooth and low level recoil even when spitting out .40S&W. Nice firearm and nastily accurate but for plinking it really doesn't stir the juices. But if I were using it for home defense I'd be all over it.

The Keltec and JR carbines are more fun due to the big heavy bolt slamming back and forth creating an artificial sense of recoil. But the way they puke the blowback gases out the sides and in the case of the Keltec the massive use of plastics doesn't make me feel like I'd want to use them for anything other than casual plinking or casual competitions. I may easily be totally wrong about the Keltec. But it's just how I feel. Later on if the history of these guns as the round counts mount proves me wrong I'll happily eat crow.

One other carbine I've shot was the HK 94. Nice gun but it doesn't share magazine compatibility with handguns like the others. But it would be superb for HD use.

Of course there's the High Point carbine as well. But I've never seen one, let alone got to shoot one.

 

[MCgunner]

I'm thinkin', without reading this whole thread (sorry, lazy) that one could probably not equal .357 magnum carbine performance with a 10mm's small case. All that slow powder in the .357 really shines out of a 20" barrel, like 2100 fps with a 158 grain JHP or 1900 fps with a gas checked 165 grain SWC. THAT treads on low end .30-30 territory from the rifle. Same gun fires a 105 grain SWC to 900 fps from .38 special brass, 1.5" at 50 yards accurate (minute of squirrel). This makes for a very versatile hunting rifle, what I really like about it. I own 3 revolvers in the caliber and one's a Blackhawk (matches the western look ), but really like the little Rossi 92 on it's own merits regardless of having a handgun in matching caliber. Both the 92 and the Blackhawk have taken deer. No hog or deer is safe from 100 yards and in from the rifle.

 

[MCgunner]

Before the argument starts....

http://www.buffalobore.com/index.php?l=product_detail&p=102

Make special note of the Marlin 1894, 18.5 inch barrel velocities. Item 19C/20, supercedes 30-30 energies!!!

1. 3 inch S&W J frame

a. Item 19A/20-180gr. Hard cast LFN = 1302 fps
b. Item 19B/20-170gr. JHC (jacketed hollow cavity) = 1299 fps
c. Item 19C/20-158gr. Jacketed Hollow Point = 1398 fps
d. Item 19D/20-125gr. Jacketed Hollow Point = 1476 fps

2. 4 inch S&W L frame Mt. Gun

a. Item 19A/20-180gr. Hard cast LFN = 1375 fps
b. Item 19B/20-170gr JHC = 1411 fps
c. Item 19C/20-158gr. Jacketed Hollow Point = 1485 fps
d. Item 19D/20-125gr. Jacketed Hollow Point = 1603 fps

3. 5 inch S&W model 27

a. Item 19A/20-180gr. Hard Cast =1398 fps
b. Item 19B/20-170gr. JHC = 1380 fps
c. Item 19C/20-158gr. Jacketed Hollow Point = 1457 fps
d. Item 19D/20-125gr. Jacketed Hollow Point = 1543 fps

4. 6 inch Ruger GP 100

a. Item 19D/20-125gr. Jacketed Hollow Point = 1707 fps

5. 18.5 inch Marlin 1894

a. Item 19A/20-180gr. Hard Cast = 1851 fps
b. Item 19B/20-170gr. JHC = 1860 fps
c. Item 19C/20-158gr. Jacketed Hollow Point = 2153 fps---- Can you believe this?!!!
d. Item 19D/20-125gr. Jacketed Hollow Point = 2298 fps---- Or this?!!!

 

[JHenry]

"Hey now, I mentioned it"

youve been skimmed lol

 

[Jason_W]

I'm thinkin', without reading this whole thread (sorry, lazy) that one could probably not equal .357 magnum carbine performance with a 10mm's small case.

Not in terms of numbers, but it would come the closest of all the other common (or somewhat common) auto pistol rounds.

Inside 50 yards, I'm guessing nothing hit with either would know the difference. Pst that, the .357 would have the edge.

 

[jmstevens2]

I would do my 1911 and Marlin Camp 45. They use the same mags unlike the HiPoint that interchanges with nothing but a HiPoint.
Or a Camp 9 and a S&W Mod 59, again same mags, or Glock 22 and KelTec Sub 2000, same mags etc etc.

 

[adam69b]

check out rossi usa they have some great options
http://www.rossiusa.com/

 

[spence]

I matched up a sig 226 in .40s&w with a ruger pc4 ( .40s&w) . ruger doesant make it any more but you can still find them.

 

[CaliCoastie]

Why not the cartridge combo you started with? With a desert eagle in 357, and a Marlin 1894 in 357. Or if you want both in semi auto the desert eagle 44 mag, and the ruger semi auto carbine in 44mag.

 

[A Pause for the Coz]

I'm thinkin', without reading this whole thread (sorry, lazy) that one could probably not equal .357 magnum carbine performance with a 10mm's small case. All that slow powder in the .357 really shines out of a 20" barrel, like 2100 fps with a 158 grain JHP or 1900 fps with a gas checked 165 grain SWC. THAT treads on low end .30-30 territory from the rifle. Same gun fires a 105 grain SWC to 900 fps from .38 special brass, 1.5" at 50 yards accurate (minute of squirrel). This makes for a very versatile hunting rifle, what I really like about it. I own 3 revolvers in the caliber and one's a Blackhawk (matches the western look ), but really like the little Rossi 92 on it's own merits regardless of having a handgun in matching caliber. Both the 92 and the Blackhawk have taken deer. No hog or deer is safe from 100 yards and in from the rifle.

Thats my preferred combo too. You can build up some pretty stout 357 rifle loads M92 on the shoulder with the Black hawk on the hip. Thats my white tail combo. Woods I hunt 100 yards is a long shot. Although I can hit hard any thing out to 200 no problem.
After that you dropping velocity pretty fast. Not worth the risk of wounding.

.45 long colt or 44 mag probably a better choice. But I have no guns in that cal and only 6 pieces of brass. I have 10,000 357 cases

 

[InkEd]

A Thompson and a 1911 would be the most patriotic and cool.