Modern Mosin-Nagant based rifles...

[saturno_v]

Seems the old warhorse doesn't want to die....

With still millions of Mosin rifles in storage in Russia, the Central Design Bureau for Sporting and Hunting Arms (TSKIB SOO) based in Tula, in the early 2000s commisioned two sniper rifles based on Mosin parts.
However, some of them are rumored to be made from newly milled barrels and receivers.

One is the OTs 48. The effective range is said to be "over 1000 meters".

Another is the OTs 48k...a bullpup Mosin!!!

http://russian-weapons.com/2008/09/ots-48/

http://world.guns.ru/sniper/sn103-e.htm

http://militaryforces.ru/firearms-5-91.html

No hope of having them over here, Russia at the moment does not allow them to be exported and they are strictly used for their military and special police forces.

 

[kd7nqb]

very cool.

 

[saturno_v]

The Finnish Valmet Tkiv 85, another modern re-incarnation of the good old Mosin Nagant, designed in 1984.
Barrels are said to be new production.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/7.62_Tkiv_85

 

[Mizar]

Allmost every military rifle in Russia has "effective range over 1000 meters". But they do not mention the group on the target. Do you wonder why? Since 1989 very few companies in Russia do produce quality firearms - civil and/or military. The TSKIB SOO is not one of them.

Boris

 

[Bluehawk]

Since 1989 very few companies in Russia do produce quality firearms - civil and/or military.

So the commercial version of the Makarov pistol is not good quality??

 

[Hatterasguy]

Way cool! The old war horse won't die!

The 7.62x54R is also still in service, and the oldest round that is still in service.

 

[Freedom_fighter_in_IL]

And here I was thinking the .303 brit was older than the 7.62x54R and it is still in service in Canada. I am thinking there is just a few years difference in the development of them but the brit is a few years older I BELIEVE! Will someone Google-Fu my memory please?

 

[krinko]

2 February 1889 the .303 MkI was approved for issue, which would beat the 7.62x53R by a couple of years.
-----krinko

 

[Freedom_fighter_in_IL]

Ah thou Google-Fu is strong my son

Op them are some purdy sticks. TY for sharing.

 

[unwise11]

cool. if those are effective to 1000 meters with that surplus a modern rifle over here must be capable to 3000 meters... to hit a barn.

 

[10-96]

No matter how good, bad, or in-between they are... I just never could get past how hinky their scope mounting process looks. I know, different strokes for different folks.

 

[Mp7]

it most be those angry chechen barns that keep wandering russian soil

The longest confirmed kill on the broadside of a regular barn
with a mosin is over 1.000 yards!

They sure have a talent to build some ugly stuff in russia

 

[Carl N. Brown]

.303 one of the oldest military rounds in use into the modern era (but not in a current issue wepon of a major military service).

7.62x54R the oldest military round still used in issue service weapons (especially Russian sniper service).

 

[Blue Brick]

Nice!

 

[Waywatcher]

My most recent GUNS magazine had a "shoot-off" between all the major WWII sniper rifles using vintage ammo where possible. Multiple shooters. Enjoyable read.

The Mosin Nagant won by a landslide.

IIRC the 1903, SMLE, and Mauser couldn't reliably hit past 300, while the Mosin went to about 600.

 

[Blue Brick]

IIRC the 1903, SMLE, and Mauser couldn't reliably hit past 300, while the Mosin went to about 600.

Did they say why?

 

[hartmen]

omg these are awesome! i think i see a new project gun once i get my current mm done. just laid some stain on my tonight!

 

[alemonkey]

If the Tkiv 85 is ever available as a milsurp in the U.S. I swear I will sell a kidney to get one.

 

[Slamfire]

Have they changed out the trigger mechanism?

Military Nagant triggers are primitive and the sear spring will break.

I think the Mosin Nagant is a very stiff action compared to some.

 

[Fonzie2k]

Shows what happens when you make the toughest rifle ever. lol

 

[A Historian]

Did they say why?

Yep; The M1903 and Lee-Enfield experienced a lot of hangfires, and the scope on the Mauser was only a 1.5x.

 

[Dr.Rob]

The scope mounting does look strange but I really like the look of some of those stocks.

I don't own a Moisin, one of those could make me change my mind.

 

[Slamfire]

Yep; The M1903 and Lee-Enfield experienced a lot of hangfires, and the scope on the Mauser was only a 1.5x.

I have not read the article, but if they experienced a lot of hangfires, they should have replaced the mainsprings.

The mainsprings in these rifles are over 60 years old. Who in their right mind would expect 60 shock absorbers, 60 year old tank of gas, 60 year old batteries to work? Why then should anyone expect a 60 year old compressed spring to be at its rating.

They are usually not.

Guns gunwriters dafame good firearms but don't know enough about firearm maintenance to replace old mainsprings??

That is not a fault of the rifle.

A bud came over this weekend with a couple of CMP Springfields and I dropped in one of this actions a Wolff 20 pound mainspring. Really improved the lock time.

His old mainspring was weak. Might have fired, might have had hangfires.

The Mosin has this huge firing pin cocking piece. I expect once they got it going, just the mass of the thing had enough umph to to light off the primer.

 

[Limeyfellow]

Great, it give the pawn store owner around here another story to try and sell his $75 Mosins with a Bushnell scout scope mounted on the rear sight for $700 like he been trying to do.

 

[Cosmoline]

My own current shooter is an M-39 from 1970. Shoots great and is the same age as me. But its soul--the receiver--is from the 1890's. Some of these T-85's also use pre-first world war receivers as well. That's durability.

Have they changed out the trigger mechanism?

Just about all the Finnish Mosins have superior triggers. I don't know if they went beyond their usual fine tuning with the T-85.

Notice the fellow in the photo is shooting D-166 factory. I would LOVE to get ahold of some of that. The brass is Lapua.