Modifications, if any, to a box stock Colt HBAR

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I read about AR builds and various parts exchanges from the original platform to new, improved, ultimate up-grades.

Is the Colt HBAR now obsolete?..if so, how?...it seems to work reliably and poke clanish itty-bitty 1/4" holes downrange.

Other than weight, what needs changing?

salty
 
Why change anything? What are you trying to do with it?

Rifles can be built to perform a variety of tasks well. What task do you want it optimized to accomplish best?
 
We run a bone stock AR15 Match Target HBAR, and the thing is wonderful AS IS.

Can't even bring ourselves to put a Geissele trigger in it. If it ain't broke...
 
Again, WHAT ARE YOU HOPING TO DO WITH IT?

If it's poke holes in paper, why change a thing?

If you're going to enter Service Rifle competition, you'd need a few changes.

3-gun competition? Other changes.

Take it to various tactical training classes? Other changes still.

Varmints?

As a patrol rifle for your squad car?

Home defense?

All could be helped by somewhat different to VERY different modifications from the basic form.

But if you don't have a goal in mind, why change anything at all?
 
Hey, I kind of think the old H-BAR setup does look cool, in a 1970s/80s Sci-Fi kind of way. :)

So that would be another vote for keeping it as is! :)
 
SBR it and install a quadrail so that you can hang a bunch of tactical stuff off it. You could just change out the barrel to a real short .300 AAC Blackout barrel and get a suppressor for it. Then swap out the A2 stock for something cool from Magpul and paint the whole thing a leafy camo pattern.

Voila!!

You would successfully then have ruined a perfectly good rifle.
 
Leave it alone. If you want to change it, buy or build something else. JMO

M
 
Keep it stock and sell it in MD. As of 10/1/2013, the ONLY ARs allowed to be sold in the state will be HBARs. :banghead:
 
We run a bone stock AR15 Match Target HBAR, and the thing is wonderful AS IS.

Can't even bring ourselves to put a Geissele trigger in it. If it ain't broke...

Who are "we" and "ourselves"???? :eek:
 
My vote is to get familiar with the maintenance tear downs, do those thoroughly, and shoot it. Shoot the crap out of it. Figure out what your wear and tear parts are, and perhaps upgrade those, which are usually just springs.

I was at a similar point about a year ago, wherein I was about to build an AR: had found a great deal on a beautiful barrel, JP LPK, found a great stripped lower....and I was avoiding the purchase of a Colt.

I was avoiding a Colt purchase as result of Army experiences back in the 80s-either our Unit Armorer sucked or they just were not where they are today, production quality wise.

The LE agency I had trained with used DPMSs and that annoying "sproing" was still there, from almost 30 years ago. Then I smelt the pending Obamapocalypse coming, and grabbed a new Colt 6920, when Buds still had decent LE Discounts. Sold/traded off the build parts I had gathered and almost half paid for the Colt.

Then, I ordered the Brownells catalog for ARs; time to go shopping for bolt ons. Before I shot the rifle!

The AR industry is vast, monstrous and beautiful-thank God. However, I can get caught up just like anybody else in the hype. I'm not going into building ARs-I just want to shoot. I bought some scope rings, mounted my old Redfield Partner on her, and watched the Vickers YouTube vid on prepping/painting the AR platform for my purposes.

Start tinkering with too many mods and perhaps end up in left field on the paper, no meat on the table, and range time which is beyond frustrating.

What do you NOT like about the rifle and what are you wanting to do with it? If you are going to venture into the business of AR works, venture into the Brownells website of parts and videos-it's pretty darn awesome.
 
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This is what my Colt HBAR Sporter looks like now.

Float-tube under the handguards.
Geissele trigger.
Holliger quarter-by-quarter pinned rear sight.
Krieger barrel.

Perfect for National Match competition.

holligerwhiteoakColtKriegerleftsmaller.jpg

Recent application:

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Just trying to learn from others.

To answer Sam's questions about intended purpose, I flat do not know just yet. Just going to shoot it a bit and have fun poking holes in paper.

It, the HBAR, seems to be somewhat awkward and unbalanced. More accurately, 'I' seem to feel more awkward and unbalanced when shooting it.

Maybe two rotator surgerys could do that.

This Neanderthal is simply trying to have some fun and, maybe, evolve a little bit.

Thanks,

salty
 
I poured .357 cal bullets in the buttstock of mine until I got it to balance at the magazine well. I shoved plastic shopping bags in with the bullets to keep them smooshed-forward, and minimize any rattling. Just the plastic bags like you get when you buy a jar of peanut butter at the store.

My rifle is quite "lightweight" compared to the ridiculously-heavy AR's that some highpower shooters are using in competition. But, its a heavy turd compared to the ultra-lightweight "blaster-grade" guns that are so popular with the accumulators these days.

The only added forward weight on my rifle comes from the float tube under the plastic handguards.

I get asked sometimes about why I don't have a flash hider on it.
Answer: I don't need a flash hider for what I use it for. I shoot in the daytime. Otherwise, the flash hider is just an ornament that collects crud, and requires extra cleaning time.
 
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