questions about my first AR

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I bought a Colt AR a few hours ago, and had some questions about it.

The dude I got it from advertised it as being "new", but told me he has had it since the Clinton AWB, and that he's only put 5 rounds through it. It also has an aftermarket trigger (J&L?), and some hokey looking aftermarket muzzle brake thingie on it, so I don't believe that the guy only shot it 5 times in over a decade, but regardless, it does appear to be used very little.

I paid $895 for it, and it came with 5 mags, a cheap soft case, and has some cheap norinco scope on it. I know colts are usually fairly expensive, but was that a decent price?

My AR is a heavy barrel model. On the receiver it says MATCH TARGET, MATCH HBAR, .223. On the barrel it says 5.56 nato/HBAR though, so what ammo is best to use in it? I shot up two boxes of 55grain UMC fmj, and it didn't have no problems. Does it matter if I shoot 5.56 or .223?

I can't say much about the accuracy, since I was close enough to throw the gun and hit what I was aiming at, but this thing has a sweeter trigger than every other gun I own, with the exception of maybe my S&W 29.

I'm an incredibly lousy shot, and am generally happy to get within a foot of whatever I'm shooting at. I've always been more of an AK kinda dude anyway, but have kinda been wanting an AR for awhile anyway, if for no reason other than to bring back all those awful memories of basic training. When I originally started looking for an AR, I was mainly interested in a base model with a normal barrel, since even a crappy AR is going to be more accurate than I am. I rarely ever shoot anything other than water jugs, pop cans, and other garbage that people leave at the places I shoot, and I pretty much don't shoot over 50 yards. So having said all that, would I be better off getting rid of the HBAR and looking for a normal AR? Is there any difference in reliability between match models and normal ones? How much more accurate is an HBAR over a regular one? What kind of accuracy could I expect with my gun with the aftermarket trigger in it, assuming someone other than me was shooting it? Other than the better accuracy (if it is more accurate), is there any other reasons to have an HBAR over a standard AR, because the excessive weight of my AR seems to completely defeat the purpose of having a gun that shoots such little bullets.

The serial number is PMH00175*. Can anyone tell me when my gun was made?

If the dude I got the gun from gave me an accurate date on when he bought it, is there any difference in quality from the colts being made in the early to mid-90s compared to the ones being made now?

I had an M16A2 in the army, and even though I was stateside shooting at mosquitoes in Louisiana the whole time, and not in actual combat where reliability was much more important, I was pretty impressed with how reliable my gun was with all the sand and crap that I managed to get into it. How much of a difference in reliability is there between a civilian colt AR and a military M16?

Does the aftermarket trigger affect reliability at all?

From the numerous AR threads on THR, I know a lot of people with colts claim them to be the best AR made, but for every colt fan, there seems to be at least two colt haters who say that bushmaster/dpms/etc is just as good, if not better. So who's right? Is colt as good as everyone says?

What's up with my magazines (see pic)? It came with one 30 rounder, and the rest are 20 or less. A few say colt on the bottom, and he told me the little funky looking one is for hunting or something. I don't care about hunting anything that requires low capacity, and would just assume have as many rounds on tap as possible to improve my odds of hitting whatever it is that I'm shooting at. I would assume the mags with colt stamped on them are the ones that came with the gun? Are these mags fairly reliable/desirable? If not, is there enough interest in these lower capacity mags that I could trade them off for 30 round mags?

I think dpms makes the best looking ARs by a long shot, mainly because they have the gnarly looking handguards. If I keep this gun, I probably won't alter it because it looks just like the one I had in the army (other than the fat barrel), and because it would be a stupid thing to do financially, but would it be possible to put dpms handguards on my gun?

Most of my other guns are low-end gutter trash. I realize that even a colt still isn't as coveted as an HK, but can I still get away with looking down my nose on non-colt owners now? Because I've always wanted to be a gun snob.

thanks

P.S. I'm sure most of my questions have probably already been answered a thousand times in the last few days alone, but there's so many AR threads that searching for them is basically a lost cause.
 
holy crap dude. Think 30 second attention span...


Yeah you got a very good deal
Colt m16 and similar that are built to a spec generally use better parts and are assembled in a far superior fashion but does colt take shortcuts on their target guns? Who knows?

Aftermarket triggers generally have an adverse effect on reliability. More adjustments mean more things can go wrong
 
I paid $895 for it, and it came with 5 mags, a cheap soft case, and has some cheap norinco scope on it. I know colts are usually fairly expensive, but was that a decent price?

You stole it. I guess the guy sold it for what he paid back in the 90's!

Also, the muzzle brake is standard on Colt "civilian" ARs. Ones with the "evil" flash hiders, bayonet lugs, etc., were banned for us peons during the AWB, and Colt still won't sell 'em. You have to find a dealer that's willing to bend Colt's rules (fortunately there are a bunch, and unlike H&K, at least, Colt hasn't tried to sue over it).
 
Does it matter if I shoot 5.56 or .223?
Since the barrel says 5.56 on it, no, it does not matter.


How much of a difference in reliability is there between a civilian colt AR and a military M16?
I would guess not much at all, they are tha same except for a few small things that shouldn't effect reliability.

So having said all that, would I be better off getting rid of the HBAR and looking for a normal AR?

If you can't handle the weight (or just don't like it at all) get a different one, if you can find one at such a good price, but the barrel may be helpful when you start getting better.
 
my 2 cents,i think you got a killer deal.as far as the HBAR goes suck it up think about all those guys that had to carry an M-14 and all that 308 ammo lol j/k no what i would do if i was you is go to dpms.com look at there lightwieght upper take your upper off (and keep it)pin the LW upper on and bam its light wieght!congrats on your new AR!
as far as you not being able to shoot straight PRACTICE get a snap cap and work on your breathing and trigger pull you might amaze yourself
 
I was looking over at AR15.com (can't register though, as I only have a yahoo email address), and some of the threads I read mentioned that some of the colt parts aren't interchangeable with other brands. Other brands of uppers still interchange with no problems though, right?

I've also seen a few pics of wood furniture on ARs. Does anyone know who sells this, and if it will fit bull barrels?

I've seen real M16s on gunbroker with bakelite furniture that looked like fake wood too, but I think real wood would be cooler looking.
 
You are wrong. 5.56 and .223 both shoot the same caliber of bullet. The difference is in the case thickness and loading specs between the two. Generally speaking, you can shoot either in a 5.56 chamber, but if you shoot a lot of 5.56 in a .223 chamber, especially if you really let it heat up, you will start to have extraction problems.

Try the decaf. Dude. I recommend going to Amazon and buying a couple of books. The questions you are asking are so broad you are about to be bombarded with answers. (We live for this stuff.) You would do well to learn some history, mechanical reasoning, and get a DVD armorer's course. Go to brownells.com and order their free AR catalog. (This might leave you in fetal position at the foot of your bed, there's so much stuff in it.) And oh yeah, dry-fire it a bajillion times and spend about $500 on ammo to really learn the feel.

I assume the really cool handguard you are referring to on the DPMS is a quad rail. This serves two functions, first of all, it lets the barrel free-float, meaning there's nothing touching it, and it can vibrate freely and be a bit more accurate. (Something tells me you have a LONG way to go before this accuracy difference will help you at all.) It has accessory rails on all four sides for mounting bipods, scopes, lights, etc. The good ones cost more than a couple of hundred bucks. It involves removing the gas tube and front sight, disassembling the conventional handguards, and putting the new system in.

Or you could just buy a different upper.

Colts are more desireable to collectors, but the allure is lost on me. The main thing I think of about Colts is that their takedown pins are a different diameter. This is to make it more difficult for guys like you to swap out parts, like you can do easily with other ARs. Don't worry, you can still do it, but when you buy stuff, you have to make sure you get it in the Colt spec, it's different than the others.

The marines in the pit at Perris Island trying to qualify at 500 meters would love to have that new, unworn, custom trigger H-bar right about now. I wouldn't mess with it.
 
There are other quad rails out there that do not require any removal of anything from the gun other than the existing handguards. Daniel Defense Omega 7 or 9.0 will probably mount to your Colt pretty easily. No permanent modifications to the host weapon. It pretty much installs like stock handguards and has 4 flathead screws that go join the two rails together and 4 allen head screws that tension against the barrel nut. 30 min install. I love mine. I think you'd love yours if you get one. About $250 unless you can find one on ebay or gunbroker for less.
 
5.56mm = 0.2189"

The groove to groove diameter for a standard .22 caliber (from .22 short up to .50 BMG necked down to .22) is .223" to .224", while the standard land to land diameter is about .218" to .219". That's where the .218 Bee gets its name, despite the fact that all the so-called .218 and .219 calibers use .223-.224 bullets.

Sort of like 10mm and .40. Groove diameter is .400, land diameter is .393 (10mm).

Plus the American .30 calibers. .308 grooves, .300 (7.62mm) lands.

Too bad there's no standard caliber designation system.
 
You got a good deal. If the weight bothers you, or if you are OK hitting within a foot of whatever you're shooting at, I'd bet you could sell/trade it for more than what you paid.

That being said, if you want a rifle to develop the skills necessary to hit what you want to hit, instead of somewhere near it, that rifle would be a great tool.
 
colt.jpg Colt 6601 HBAR Match Target

I just picked this up. I paid $1,300 new in box. You got a deal. Have not shot it yet but guys on AR15 give it good reviews:
"Great Pickup!! One of my co-workers who shoots NRA matches very competitively told me that he prefers the 6601's w/o the flash hider as the rifle is more accurate w/o it. When he shoots at 600 yards he has personally confirmed this."

I don't have the flash hider since I live in Mass. I am keeping it the way it is because I love the classic look. I am not sure if I will add optics yet. I want to try out the iron sights first.

I also have a carbine on order from Fulton Armory with rails that I want to put an ACOG on.
 
yup, old glory got it.

its actually a 6601C.

i had a similar model, except mine was the 6700c.

yours is probably more accurate than mine was as the 6601c has a 1-7 twist rate and can shoot heavier bullets more accuratly than the 1-9 6700c.

mine would shoot 1 1/4" to 1 1/2" at 100yds. it wouldnt surprise me to see your shoot less than an inch.

it was a great deal.

edit: that hokie aftermarket muzzle break is actually factory colt equipment. if it is pinned instead of threaded on it, was built for sale during the clinton awb.
 
My 2nd AR is a COLT m6700cmt HBAR 1/9. I replaced that 9 - 11 lb factory trigger with a 3 lb JARD/speed hammer, large pin, excellent trigger no issues. Nine pound rifle, added Enidine hydraulic buffer, 3 lb. wedge in stock. Two lbs. of riser/ring mounts and 24x scope makes it a 14 lb rifle. Accurate, recoil is 0. I shoot informal benchrest target crows/coyotes varmints I use Georgia Arms 55gr fmj and Black HIlls 55gr sp. I haven`t tried any 62 - 69gr yet. I need a free float handguard. Don`t know if it would make any difference.
 
JP Enterprises makes the wood furniture for ARs.
I just now looked at their site and no wood furniture was listed. They used to have wood butt stock.
 
The other handguards I was talking about aren't the quad rail thingies, those are ugly. I think the ones I like are just free float tubes or something. The pics I've seen online of ARs with wood furniture were real classy looking too, but even if I did find someone selling them, I still probably wouldn't put out that kind of money for this gun.

Since this AR isn't really what I was wanting, I'll probably leave it the way it is, and either trade it for something else, or hang on to it for awhile and see what AR prices do.

Regardless of whether or not it becomes a permanent fixture in my gun safe, I'll still pick up some ammo and some more mags for it though, but it's not something I plan on shooting much. Actually, I really don't shoot any of my guns very often, and here lately since I've been stocking up on ammo, it's almost painful to shoot anything other than .22lr because of the ammo prices.
 
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