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Mom finally is beginning to see the need for a firearm...

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  1. MacTech

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    My mother (she’s in her mid 70’s and healthy as a horse) is taking the whole pandemic issue reasonably seriously, she’s sheltering in place and social distancing, but her one deficiency is her lack of a defensive firearm, she jokingly says she’ll be okay with her BB gun and crowbar

    she lives in rural Seacoast Northern New England (one of the states with Constitutional Carry), but she doesn’t have a firearm (just no real interest until now, not an anti, but not her thing...)

    she has access to my firearms inventory, and I’m going to loan her one of my guns until she can purchase her own (I’d gift her one of mine, but she wants to buy her own finally)

    She has limited grip strength and has trouble racking the slide of my 9mm handguns, so that reduces options a bit (she’s interested in the Shield 9 EZ but good luck finding one ATM)

    her options are;

    H&R Pardner 28 gauge Compact
    H&R Topper Deluxe Classic 20 gauge
    Ruger 10/22 (heavily customized ‘14 contest winner model)
    Marlin 25 bolt action
    Ruger Super Single Six .22LR/Magnum
    S&W Shield 9 2.0 (my CCW)
    CZ-75b

    the 9mm’s will be difficult for her to rack so they’re a less viable option, the shotguns have more potential stopping power, but are single shot, the Single Six with Magnums is a possibility, but is slow to reload, I’m thinking the best choice of the poor choices above is probably the 10/22, I can even put it back in the original stock and take off the red dot, to simplify things for her..

    none of the choices are particularly good, but I think the 10/22 is the most reasonable compromise, I have 5 10 rounders and two 25 round BX-25’s and plenty of .22LR stored, plus, she can practice in the backyard range.

    she’ll most likely never need to use it anyway, but I’d feel better if she had something more substantial than a Daisy Red Ryder and a crowbar (she’s not fighting off headcrab zombies anyway... ;) )

    so what would you suggest?
     
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  2. troy fairweather

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    I'd say the 20ga topper.
     
  3. hso

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    Ask her what she has experience with and what she wants to use and what she's most comfortable with since something she weilds with apparent confidence and obvious intent is better than some large or small.
     
  4. George Dickel

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    What is your mother's experience level with a firearm? Is she really willing and able to shoot someone if necessary?
     
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  5. entropy

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    The 28 ga. Pardner, (I didn't know they made those) that's a pump, 5 28's are better than one 20.
     
  6. troy fairweather

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    But can you get 28ga buckshot or slugs easy. That's why I thought 20ga.
     
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    She’s shot them all except the 9mm’s, and she’s more comfortable with the .22’s, she’s willing to defend her life, she was a high school teacher and said she would have volunteered to be an armed teacher if necessary.

    she wants something light and compact, something easy to handle

    as stated up thread, she’s shot the .22’s and the shotguns, and is willing to defend herself.

    I know the .22’s are a poor choice ballistically, but they have the advantage of magazine capacity, no recoil, and less of a report when fired (hearing/vision protection will also be supplied)

    to me, the 10/22 has the best balance of ease of use and capacity, it just is deficient in stopping power

    I fully expect her to never need to use a firearm defensively, but I *want* her to have that ability if needed, especially since the ACLU is whining about “releasing” prisoners in the local prison system (most likely the nonviolent offenders, but they’re there for a reason...)
    https://www.seacoastonline.com/news...-release-of-inmates-vulnerable-to-coronavirus
     
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    I really don't think someone shot with birdshot like a dove load of #7, is going to stand there and laugh. Get the largest shot size you can find in 28 ga and let her try it. If she can handle it, it's more than enough.
     
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    Of that list, yes the 10/22.

    If time/money/opportunity presented itself, I would recommend a DA .22 revolver like the SP101, Charter Arms Pathfinder, or even an old H&R 929 or the like if such could be found. Hi standard Sentinal maybe?

    If money is no object a S&W 17 or 18.

    Or how about one of those Mossberg .410 pumps? You could probably still find one if you looked hard enough, and IIRC they were like $250 brand new?
     
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    The Ruger 10/22 is a step up from her Daisy Red Ryder. The Ruger would be the least intimidating choice. She would be more likely to practice and become comfortable with it; then, she'd use it for personal protection in an emergency.
     
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    https://www.brennekeusa.com/hunting-ammunition/brenneke-28tm/

    Looks like everybody is out of them, though. BPI has reloading components for a ball round.

    In light of this, have her learn the manual of arms for the 10/22.
     
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    to clarify, both shotguns are single shot break action, hammer fired guns, also, the local gun shop (Kittery Trading Post) is pretty picked over both ammo and gun wise, I called this afternoon, and all they have for ammo for the 20/28 is birdshot (#7-#9) plus there’s the NICS delays and lack of most ammo

    I’m going to check KTP after work to see if they have any 10/22’s left in stock, and hopefully convince her to buy one for herself, it might be the best of a bad choice, but better than nothing....
     
  13. ApacheCoTodd

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    Some brief thoughts:

    H&R Pardner 28 gauge Compact
    Slide action is usually quite an issue for untrained in a stressful situation.

    H&R Topper Deluxe Classic 20 gauge
    Does she want to deal with the hammer?

    Ruger 10/22 (heavily customized ‘14 contest winner model)
    Training for a semi-auto with a bitty bolt handle.

    Marlin 25 bolt action
    Maybe get one round off in stress.

    All of the above being long guns may be unwieldy and left behind for the encumbrance represented.

    Ruger Super Single Six .22LR/Magnum
    Hammer again. Lots of AD's with the un initiated using SAs in stress.

    S&W Shield 9 2.0 (my CCW)
    Kinda small and poppy for the uninitiated and multiple *things* on the left side for confusion.

    CZ-75b
    How would she be with DA on this? Sounds like where I'd lean first. Tell her to leave the hammer alone. This with a round in the chamber and quality ball to limit FTFs so she need not necessarily worry about operating the slide.

    Todd.
     
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    as stated up thread, she has limited hand strength to rack the slide, she’s tried both the CZ and S&W, she can barely budge the Shield, and can do the CZ with difficulty by holding the slide still and pushing the lower to rack it

    she’s not looking for a concealed carry weapon, but for a home defense weapon, I may have some slugs and buckshot for the 20, but the 28 only has trap rounds available the 20 is noticeably heavier as well, if you’re not familiar with the TDC 20G, it actually has a *heavy* barrel, it’s a 12 gauge blank with a 20 gauge bore, the barrel walls are *thick*, the nice thing is, that weight reduces felt recoil, but it’s not a light gun
    https://www.hr1871.com/Firearms/Shotguns/topper.asp.html
     
  15. ApacheCoTodd

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    I thought I commented as to not needing to bother with the slide - but, never mind. Looks like you got it covered.

    Todd.
     
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    I’d love for her to try the CZ again, but she just has no interest in it, she says it’s a nice gun, but it’s too heavy for her and she has difficulty working the slide, even with your solution, believe me, I’ve tried

    my devious plan is to hook her in with a 10/22, simple, friendly and unintimidating, and once she gets more into the mindset of a gun owner, get her to check out a S&W Shield 9EZ, which she has expressed interest in, they’re just impossible to find right now....
     
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  17. film495

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    my opinion is any gun that someone can operate safely is good. there are always better or well, choices that have more nrg per round, or capacity, but - anything that goes bang that the user can operate safely and reasonably well is good. a plan, and some tactical strategy and/or training could be valuable as well, like just walking through a scenario - and having a plan in advance. If x happens, I'm going to do y. safe room, calling 911 - there's a lot of operational things that can be thought through in advance. a really good can of mace is a pretty good option too.
     
  18. Good Ol' Boy

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    Ironically my mother of 70+ recently showed a interest in firearms too. Know what I did?

    She came down this weekend and my dad brought his Nomad with them. I included my wife's PPS M2 and my G17.

    I gave her a 101 into guns and ammunition. She never fired a shot but she went from being scared to pick up a pistol to comfortable in about an hour. I'm fairly certain she learned a few things as well.

    Point being I dont know what your mom's experience with guns is but it's pretty prudent to walk before you crawl. If she has no to minimal experience you might want to think about a crash course before talking about specific guns and calibers. If she knows the basics then letting her actually try some different guns would be beneficial, instead of asking a bunch of random folks on the web.

    Just my opinion....
     
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    A 10/22 loaded with 25 rounds and a backup 25 rounder is plenty potent at self-defense distance. Would easily poke a 5” hole pattern in most anybody.
     
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    A second on this! If your mom has trouble with her hands then a shotgun may be too much for her but a heavily loaded .22 may be just the ticket. Warn her about ear protection if she has the chance otherwise a rifle going off in her home may affect her hearing.
     
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    My mother showed interest in firearms a few years back. She asked how easy are revolvers to operate. Unfortunately she lives in NYS. Handguns are difficult to obtain in NYS legally so her interest in revolvers faded fast. She has a few friends who have the elusive NY carry permit and that is as close to firearms as she has gotten. They don't even have a BB gun in the house after I moved out. I tried to talk them into getting a 20ga pump shotgun or something light recoiling and simple but it was like banging my head against a wall. Hopefully your mother listens better.
     
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    you are asking opinions and IMHO a single shot anything is not preferred to a multiple shot anything else

    Any long gun is preferred for handling, accuracy, safety. But having trouble vs simply cannot is a big difference. Weak hand grasping slide over top, tuck the whole setup tight to body and forcing pistol forward with griping hand. MUCH easier than pinching slide with thumb & forefinger. Does the Shield have a manual safety? If she has taught 'kids these days' )LOL( , she can handle a simple safety session, handle/familiarize the Shield. End of the day load it for her and holster. Ready for hopefully never:). I mean, whatever firearm for SD is presumed to be loaded 'at the ready' , correct?

    If allll that is still a no-go I concur with others, 10/22:thumbup:
     
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    We like your mom. 10/22 for ease of use and distance considerations in a rural setting.
     
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    Of all your options the 10/22 maybe the best choice. It's soft shooting with no muzzle flash and capable of making fast follow up shots. Hitting someone with 4 or 5 22 rounds should make most attackers stop and think.

    Long guns are easier for everyone to make hits with, let single a novice shooter. I would also let her check out the red dot since that should be easier to pick up vs iron sights. My elderly Mom likes the red dot on my CX4.

    Going over what to do with a jam or misfire might be a good idea.

    For the future an outside the box choice for her might be a Rossi Circuit Judge, the rifle sized model. The manual of arms for what is essentially a revolver are simple to learn. It's easy to confirm if its loaded or to make safe. 5 rounds of 410 buckshot are effective. No worries of short stroking the action. My Mom has hand strength issues and can't rack a aide, but can pull a DA revolver trigger without a problem.

    If money wasn't an issue I'd have gotten one for my mom to use
     
  25. Plan2Live

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    So once she has made her selection of firearms, since she is a newbie, will she be taking any certified instructor led classes on the safe and proper use of the firearm? Will she be taking any classes discussing the legal aspects of the use of deadly force?
     
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