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Montana Gold .223 FMJ bullets

Discussion in 'Handloading and Reloading' started by CMV, Mar 15, 2012.

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  1. CMV

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    The picture on the site is an odd color - like it's not jacketed or is moly coated.

    For $80/1k if buying a case of 3500 that's a real good price, but I don't want 3500 of them if they aren't good.

    Still ordering stuff. Seems RMR is best for what I'm after in .380 & .40, TJ Convera for .45, & Montana Gold for everything else except maybe .223. I'll either do the Hornady 55gr bulk soft points from Graf's or these FMJ from MG. The MG are about $25 less - not a big difference over 3500 pieces.

    For general plinking with AR's, which would be better - the Montana Gold 55 gr FMJ or the Hornady 55gr soft point. Both have cannelures. By "better" I mean which would group tighter or be more consistent overall.

    Sorry to have a bunch of threads about "this mfg vs this other mfg" but since I haven't used a lot of these before I don't want to buy a metric crap ton of stuff that isn't what I expected.
     
  2. rcmodel

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    IMO: Soft point, or any other bullet with the jacket hole in the nose will group better then FMJ with the jacket hole in the base.
    Reason being, the base of the bullet can't be made as consistently flat & true for clean release from the barrel crown if there is a ragged jacket edge there.

    I can't tell you anything about Montana Gold bullets though.

    rc
     
  3. CMV

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    RC - if you had to choose between the two, you'd go with the Hornady then?
     
  4. Wahoo95

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    I prefer Hornady 55gr FMJBT for plinking

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    I'm just about out of my first 1,000 of the Hornady 55 gr FMJBT. Grafs is out of the FMJBT so I thought I'd try the SP this time. If it's a bit more accurate for the same cost, may as well. I've got all my stuff for zombies or whatnot put away so this is purely for paper, soda cans, bowling pins, etc.

    Since I was getting a bunch of other stuff from MG I thought I'd ask about their 55gr FMJ, but for $20 difference (and I'd have to buy 3500 vs 2000), I'll probably stick with the Hornady this time around.
     
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    Midsouth Varmint Nightmares are 55gr SP. At $152/2k + shipping, about the same as you're looking at for FMJBT. I've shot hundreds (have only had my AR a few months) and I like them. Pretty damn accurate for as inexpensive as they are.
     
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    What he said, I shoot the VN 55gr SP and can get moa in my AR with irons
     
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    An open based FMJ simply cannot shoot as well as a HP or SP bullet with a nice square base. Period.

    Do the MG 55 Gr FMJ bullets shoot well as 55 Gr FMJ's go? I do not know, but that is the proper question.

    The Hornady 55 Gr FMJ has the rep for being the best of the bunch, if that helps. I have not shot any of mine.

    The other question is are they good enough for the purpose intended.
     
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    I have shot about 500 out of my 1000 of the MG .224 55Gr FMJs. On top of about 24.x grains of Ramshot Tac, I am able to produce groups in the .8-to-right-at-1.0" 5 shot groups out of my 16" AR. I call that at LEAST minute of Gopher. Got the same reuslts our of a buddy's DDM4 when we were working up a load for him. Loaded 1k of those also with no hesitation. Although when I got mine, they were $55.00/1K, so I couldn't pass it up. I will also be ordering at least another 2k from my supplier (not MG directly) My BIL has almost completed his first AR build, and we will be loading another 1K for him also.
     
  11. gshipps

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    Hey I tried those MG 50gr HP's. So far they shoot very well. Better than the FMJ's for me. Just so you know....
     
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    I use the Hornady now after going through 1k of the MG ones. My main reason was ranges will have no FMJ rules.
     
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    gshipps - Do the MG 50 gr HP's have a cannelure?
     
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    They're normal jacketed bullets without a coating. The lighting is just bad in the picture on their site. I've used them in the past. They're not quite as consistent as the Hornady equivalent, but they're as good or better than pretty much everything else in a FMJBT. As mentioned by rc, a decent "cup and core" style bullet with the opening in the front of the bullet is going to have much better potential for consistent performance.
     
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    The reason for the odd color is that they use red brass for the bullet jackets, not gilding metal as do most bullet makers. Red brass is 85% copper, gilding is 95% copper. The lower copper content doesn't change the properties of the bullet not the accuracy, but the metal is slightly less expensive since it has 10% less copper, and the color is slightly yellower. They shoot well.
     
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    Medal - not talking about most of what is pictured on their site that is similar in color to Golden Sabre bullets. That part I get. The 55 gr FMJ they have pictured doesn't appear to be that yellow nor the traditional copper color. Looks odd.
     
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    Their 55gn FMJs use normal gilding metal, not the Montana Gold standard red brass jacket. I have a bunch of their pistol bullets as well. They are not the same. The picture on their website was taken by an amateur in poor lighting. I'd take a pic of one of the ones that I have but I think that they're all stuffed in brass right now and as such I can't tell them from the others (Hornady, Win, etc...).
     
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