Moose in the basement

[ChefJeff1]

so, this happened in my county. I took the 911 call. Moose was removed from house unharmed. All due to incredible amounts of snow this year. The animals are struggling this year.

http://www.mtexpress.com/news/haile...cle_81f466bc-e741-11e6-9441-730daeba4643.html

 

[Stony]

So she walked into the house an down stairs to the basement?

 

[redneck]

The news article says it "fell through an unlatched window" . My basement doesn't have any windows a moose would fit through latched or unlatched. I think I'd have to put some bars on that!

I have friends that have a small farm in idaho and they told me they are having hell taking care of their handful of cows and horses because there is 5ft of snow on the ground. Hard to imagine, we get 3 inches and people panic here.

 

[Taurus 617 CCW]

Yeah I saw that in the CDA press yesterday. I can't even imagine the surprise/terror the person experienced that discovered the moose in their basement. I spent some time in Alaska and am familiar with what a determined moose is capable of. Glad it ended well and nobody was hurt.

 

[Patocazador]

That's a nice looking basement. Very few basements in Florida, the water table is too high. We had a basement when I was a kid ... spiders, washing machine, and a dog bed ..... but no moose.

 

[Kingcreek]

Amazing, it even turned the furniture over?

 

[Dog Soldier]

I was watching the starving mule deer late last night eating my Lodge Pole Pines. The snow is 3 feet deep and very low temps. The Winter kill will be high.
The Moose must have low Temps to survive and they are eating the Service Berry bushes. The elk have moved down to Utah.

 

[Art Eatman]

If the plural of goose is geese, why ain't the plural of....

Mason Williams' thoughts from his "Them Poems":

Them Moose goosers

How about them Moose goosers, Ain't they cluse?
Up in them boondocks, goosin' them moose
Goosin' them huge moose, goosin' them tiny,
Goosin them medlin' moose in they hinny!
Look at them Moose goosers, Ain't they dumb?
Some use an umbrella, some use they thumb.
Them obtuse Moose goosers, sneakin' through the woods,
pokin' they snoozey moose in they goods,
How to be a Moose gooser? It'll turn you puce;
Get your gooser loose, and rouse a drowsy moose!

 

[Dog Soldier]

When summer comes the heat makes them very uncomfortable. This youngster can be very dangerous. When you have Moose for neighbors you keep a 12 ga, loaded with slugs by the door. Long ago a friend's son was only 2 years old when he was killed by a bull. The little kid was playing in the yard.

 

[.308 Norma]

I was watching the starving mule deer late last night eating my Lodge Pole Pines. The snow is 3 feet deep and very low temps. The Winter kill will be high.
The Moose must have low Temps to survive and they are eating the Service Berry bushes. The elk have moved down to Utah.

It's the same over on this side of the border, in Idaho. We sure needed a good winter with lots of snow. We'd been in a drought here for a long time. But deep snow and extended zero or below temperatures is a deadly combination for our deer. It's heartbreaking to see all the dead and dying deer on the hillsides between home and Pocatello.

 

[Dog Soldier]

It's the same over on this side of the border, in Idaho. We sure needed a good winter with lots of snow. We'd been in a drought here for a long time. But deep snow and extended zero or below temperatures is a deadly combination for our deer. It's heartbreaking to see all the dead and dying deer on the hillsides between home and Pocatello.

Yes, I sat with the lights out last night at midnight. My dog and I quietly watched as the weakened deer struggled in the snow. They are so weak they can hardly walk in the deep snow. A three year old Buck was to weak to reach the pine boughs. Mother Nature can be a hard parent. The Sage Brush behind the house will show many dead deer when the snow is gone. The Magpies will feed.

 

[BigBore44]

Not sure I could just watch them die. Especially on my property. Can't watch a warm blooded animal suffer.

 

[ChefJeff1]

Well folks, you're not going to believe this! now an elk fell into another basement. i"ll get a link and pics asap. Happened last year too.

 

[ChefJeff1]

Here ya go.....
https://www.facebook.com/IDFG.magicvalley/?ref=page_internal&hc_ref=PAGES_TIMELINE&fref=nf

 

[ZeroJunk]

She appears to be in pretty good shape.

 

[rondog]

Yeah, if I owned property and had deer starving in my yard, I'd probably go broke buying alfalfa bales for them.

 

[Art Eatman]

1963 was a severely dry year in Texas. Parks&Wildlife published that in Mason, Llano and Brady counties, the hunter deer kill was around 15,000. The winter kill from drouth was estimated at 17,000.

Mother Nature is not covered all over with the warm fuzzies.

 

[Dog Soldier]

Yeah, if I owned property and had deer starving in my yard, I'd probably go broke buying alfalfa bales for them.

Well you do not live in a Western State. In Wyoming and other Big Game states feeding animals is illegal. You quickly create a dependent herd. At some time you will stop feeding them. They will all die. They are wild animals not milk cows. Mother Nature has harsh rules.

 

[.308 Norma]

Well you do not live in a Western State. In Wyoming and other Big Game states feeding animals is illegal. You quickly create a dependent herd. At some time you will stop feeding them. They will all die. They are wild animals not milk cows. Mother Nature has harsh rules.[/

Besides that, mule deer can starve to death with their bellies full of alfalfa hay.

https://wildlife.utah.gov/hunting/pdf/mdwg/mdwg-2_winter_feeding.pdf

 

[Skoghund]

A couple of years ago here a cow moose wondered into a old peoples home and got trapped i a inner court yard. Because of the elderly residence and the amount of glass. the police called in a local hunter who shot the moose from the building roof.
Four years ago we has two consecutive winter that were the coldest for a hundred years. We lost at least 50% of our roe deer population. We had a voluntary ban on hunting roe for a couple of years and this year there were plenty of roe about again.
If deer are starving and you feed them they will still die as it takes quite a while for there stomach flora to adjust to new food. If there is a lot of snow i drive round the field with my tractor and snow blade to expose the ground. This gives the deer a little access to food

 

[Patocazador]

Well you do not live in a Western State. In Wyoming and other Big Game states feeding animals is illegal. You quickly create a dependent herd. At some time you will stop feeding them. They will all die. They are wild animals not milk cows. Mother Nature has harsh rules.

Unless they stopped, the feds regularly feed the elk and bison on the elk refuge outside of Jackson. The Boy Scouts make mucho dinero collecting the shed antlers and auctioning them off.

 

[.308 Norma]

Unless they stopped, the feds regularly feed the elk and bison on the elk refuge outside of Jackson. The Boy Scouts make mucho dinero collecting the shed antlers and auctioning them off.

As far as I know, the elk refuge outside of Jackson is still there, and they still feed thousands of elk and bison in the winter. Heck, here in Idaho, the Idaho Department of Fish and Game even has a winter feeding program for deer that helps out some of our deer somewhat. But that's entirely different than private citizens putting out alfalfa hay for starving and freezing deer to eat. For one thing, the Idaho Department of Fish and Game doesn't feed our deer bales of alfalfa hay. A mule deer's digestive system is different than the digestive system of a elk or a bison. Elk and bison do okay on alfalfa hay, but as I stated in my previous post in this thread, a mule deer can starve to death with his belly full of alfalfa hay. Elk and bison are "grazers," mule deer are "browsers" or "foragers" - not all of the foods grazers and browsers eat are the same.
The other thing about private citizens feeding deer during the winter is just as Dog Soldier stated - the deer can very quickly become dependent. That's the reason why the Fish and Game Departments only implement their winter feeding programs for deer as a last resort. In this part of Idaho, this winter, we've reached that point, and the winter feeding programs for deer have begun. I'm just hoping and praying we get a break from the snow and extremely low temperatures soon or were going to lose a large portion of our deer herd. The Fish and Game's winter feeding program only helps, it doesn't overrule Mother Nature.

 

[Dog Soldier]

.308 Norma, The good folks "tourist" don't understand all this. The Feed Grounds for elk around Teton County are the traditional winter migration grounds. The elk migrate there from hundreds of miles. The people who settled there have interrupted a 1,000 years of survival for elk. We have Antelope Migration as well to the Red Desert. I doubt folks out side the Big Country can ever undertand all this.
Patocaz, I did not mean to insult you in anyway. Just trying to explain this in a few short sentences.

 

[DownInTheDark]

View attachment 229447 View attachment 229448 so, this happened in my county. I took the 911 call. Moose was removed from house unharmed. All due to incredible amounts of snow this year. The animals are struggling this year.

http://www.mtexpress.com/news/haile...cle_81f466bc-e741-11e6-9441-730daeba4643.html

that moose made a pretty cool fort out of the furniture

 

[.308 Norma]

.308 Norma, The good folks "tourist" don't understand all this. The Feed Grounds for elk around Teton County are the traditional winter migration grounds. The elk migrate there from hundreds of miles. The people who settled there have interrupted a 1,000 years of survival for elk. We have Antelope Migration as well to the Red Desert. I doubt folks out side the Big Country can ever undertand all this.
Patocaz, I did not mean to insult you in anyway. Just trying to explain this in a few short sentences.

Thanks Dog Soldier.
I didn't mean to insult you either Patocazador, nor anyone else for that matter. The dead and dying mule deer around here this winter is kind of an emotional issue for me, and a lot of other people too. It was a major part of the conversation at my American Legion meeting the night before last. My Legion post is in Downey, a small town of about 500 people, 15 miles south of here, and right now the town is full of starving mule deer. There's a couple of moose wandering around in town too. I think the Fish and Game are going to have to dart the moose and hall them off before some school kid gets stomped. That's sure to happen if that big, old pregnant cow I saw the other night drops her calf while she's still hanging around Downey.
But to make the plight of the mule deer around here even worse, the local TV news runs stories every day telling people that live on the outskirts of Pocatello (the biggest city close to here) to get those danged Japanese Yew plants out of their yards, or make sure deer can't get to them. Japanese Yew is deadly poisonous to deer, and a large number of deer have already died this year by trying to eat it.