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Explosive removed from Sand Lake house
HOWITZER PROJECTILE: Fired at Alyeska Resort for avalanche control, it was brought home by a teenager.

By MEGAN HOLLAND
Anchorage Daily News

Published: August 2, 2006
Last Modified: August 2, 2006 at 03:22 AM


Police, fire and Army officials swarmed in and residents were ordered out of a Sand Lake neighborhood Tuesday after authorities learned that an 18-year-old was keeping an unexploded artillery projectile used to bring down mountain avalanches as a souvenir in his home.


The teenager's father called police Tuesday after finding the 30-pound projectile that his son picked up near Alyeska Resort. The Anchorage Police Department, the Anchorage Fire Department and the U.S. Army soon arrived and told residents of about a dozen homes to vacate their quiet neighborhood.

The 105 mm projectile was removed after several hours of planning, then transported in a dozen-vehicle motorcade, which included a fire truck and marked and unmarked police vehicles with their lights flashing, to a remote section of Kincaid Park, where it was detonated in a dirt pit.

The Federal Aviation Administration closed off flights overhead while the artillery projectile was dealt with, said police Sgt. Jeff Morton, leader of the Anchorage Bomb Squad, a local, state and federal agency team. Traffic to the park was stopped and a radius of 3,800 feet was cleared around the motocross pit where police set the projectile off.

If the round had exploded at the home, it would have taken out the single-story structure and seriously damaged neighbors' homes, Morton said.

Morton said for the artillery projectile to make its way to an Anchorage neighborhood was highly unusual.

"I've had military ordnance, but nothing of the 105 (magnitude)," Morton said.

"We were lucky this time. The kid brought it home from 50 miles away and survived."

An official from Alyeska, which likely fired the ordnance during avalanche control, said the projectile contained 4.6 pounds of TNT.

Forest Vent, an 18-year-old senior at SAVE High School, found the artillery projectile with two friends about a month ago on a summit near the Alyeska Resort.

"It was a once-in-a-lifetime find," he said Tuesday afternoon while sitting on his neighbor's lawn watching the drama unfold on his street. "It looked just like a bullet."

"My friends also thought it was awesome," he said.

The artillery projectile had rust spots and obvious wear and tear on its metal.

"I thought it was old," he said.

When he found it, he kicked it around small patches of snow, rocks and moss before picking it up and carrying it down the mountain on his shoulders, a two-hour hike through rough terrain. He and his friends then put it in the cab of his friend's truck and drove it to his Lexington Circle home.

Larry Daniels, Alyeska general manager, said the resort fires 600 of the 105 mm rounds in the mountains each year to bring down avalanches. Most of the artillery is Army surplus from the 1950s, he said.

The 105 mm rounds have a 1 percent dud rate and workers map out where the explosives fail to go off, he said. Every August, they spend hundreds of hours searching for the duds and detonating them.

"We recover almost all of the ones we fire annually," he said.

Workers usually find more than the six or so that they are looking for, though, because the projectiles accumulated in the mountains in the 1960s and 1970s, when records and maps of the explosives were poorly maintained, he said.

The last time a dud artillery projectile was picked up and taken off the mountain by a visitor was in the 1990s when a young hiker found one and packed it back to his vehicle. The hiker's mother discovered it around Portage Glacier and authorities took possession of it.

On the mountains, prominent yellow and orange signs warn hikers about the artillery, Daniels said.

"We make it very clear you are not to touch these things. If you find one, you are asked to mark it from a distance and report it to us."

The artillery projectile Vent discovered found a home next to the teenager's entertainment center in his bedroom for a month before his father spotted it and made him move it to the garage before calling police.

Tuesday afternoon, the Sand Lake cul-de-sac was off limits and nearby streets were blocked. At a soccer-field distance from Forest Vent's home, neighborhood teenagers milled about and adults took pictures while authorities strategized. Fire hoses were positioned in case of an explosion. Several U.S. Army troops showed up wearing flak jackets and helmets. Parked nearby was the Anchorage police's Explosive Disposal Unit.

Neighbor Walt Rowland said the response was "massive" He shrugged his shoulder, though: "I guess they had to make sure everything was done right."

Police say they have not ruled out the possibility of charges in the incident.

Daily News reporter Megan Holland can be reached at [email protected].
 
The Federal Aviation Administration closed off flights overhead while the artillery projectile was dealt with

Sheesh ... can you say overreaction? Did they think it was a nuke? Or had some heat seeking missile hidden inside it?
 
When he found it, he kicked it around

Got a real rocket surgeon here don't we?

A shame that it didn't go off, he might breed in the future.

Everyone knows the first thing you should do when you find a 2 foot long live warhead is to manhandle it... :uhoh:
 
" It looked just like a bullet " HINT ,HINT Where was Eddie Eagle !! A few years ago there was a forest fire at West Point .They couldn't fight the fire at one location since it had been an artillary range and had unexploded rounds there !!
 
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they were admittedly tempting fate but honestly, if you're an adolescent who hasn't been raised with much time around guns or aren't terribly savvy on military history, i could see how this could happen to a lot of families who don't know the different between inert bullets and explosive warheads. i wouldn't be real quick to judge on this one.
 
UXO foolishness is waaaaaay more common than you think.

We had a PHD type park employee who kicked a CBU submunition around her office for a couple months. Just rolled it across the floor. Our EOD guy went to visit and update the support agreement, saw it and flipped. It went off while he was tonging it into the trailer.

Sam
 
I know I'm going to have critics on this one, but here it goes...

My first week at Camp Pendleton as a boot PFC, I was volentold for a range cleanup. The first few days everyone was scared because of the crazy amount of ordnance lying around; mortars, mines, rockets..etc. After a few days, everyone was feeling a little more confidant. Indeed, even EOD was kicking around MK19 rounds. Well, about the fourth day I came upon a missle, a 25 foot missle, aaaaand for some reason....I kicked it. The @#$% thing separated about 2/3rds of the way up and rolled apart, spilling about 10 gallons of honey at my feet. As soon as I saw the honeycomb packed up in there (this thing was about as big around as a 55 gal. drum), I new I had made a serious error. The bees started pouring out somewhere near the back end and I ran while screaming at everyone to do the same. Nobody had any idea what was going on but we were on a range with all sorts of stuff and when you see someone running and screaming, you do the same. We all moved about 1/2 a mile away and watched as a black cloud of bees about the size of a small Wal-mart swarmed around the missle. Not a single person was stung, including the 2 bee fighting guys who were in the area and tried in vain to gas the swarm. Apparently bees are abundant in southern CA. The whole thing made the paper, and I took some verbal thrashing from my CO, but HAHA, the incident ended the cleanup operation a week early!
 
Guess they don't learn about UXO in schools now, we learned in elementary school in the 80's... every year the local CFB would have a few guys from the base come to the school and give us a talking to about finding these things. They would practice around where we lived and there was a few places that used to be practice ranges etc...

Years later we found a practice bomb on an Island that was used as a practice range, but is now a provincial park. My friends father called the base MP's and they said they'd send out a crew to deal with it.
 
At least he didn't throw it in a campfire. About 10 years ago some kids found a grenade and did just that. Got the expected results. Families sued the army over it and won if I remember correctly. Joe
 
there was a teacher

who found ordanance of some kind and kept it on his desk for years...untill it exploded in his hand...I read it here but can not remember much more...hey if you don't know you don't know.
I know if I found a handgrenade I would be tempted to keep it in case the tshtf
 
I am having Wile Coyote image in my head...

As I read this one, the image of Wile E. Coyote of Loony Tune poped up in my mind.

I don't know why. :)
 
Hmmm. When I was in primary school, they lectured us up one side and down the other about blasting caps, but nothing about unexploded ordnance.

Sometimes you just have to rely on common sense.
 
Seems like an overreaction to evacuate everyone and everything around if it made the trip from the howitzer to the ground, kicked around on rocks, and transported 50 miles to his house without going off. That's kinda funny the Dad made HIM take it to the garage though :D
Anyone stupid enough to throw a grenade or other UXO in a campfire is just begging for a darwin award.
I didn't realize the ski patrol got to play with that kind of stuff! Way cool. Do they still use those for avalances?
 
Drew, the trouble is that such ordnance is inherently unstable. It might be fine for 50 years - but go off the next time a butterfly lands on it. Unstable means, by definition, unpredictable. Modern explosives are somewhat more stable, sure, but the older stuff is lethally variable. The really old explosives, like lyddite (used in the Boer War and WW1) and cordite (used from WW1 through WW2, and in some artillery thereafter) are really nasty in this respect . . . :uhoh:

There was a case in England, a few years ago, of a little old lady who had a brass "mantelpiece ornament" over her fireplace. She kept it there for something like 50 or 60 years, polishing it every week to a nice glow. One day, her grandson, who was serving in the army, came to visit, and realized for the first time that it was actually a pre-WW2 grenade! They called the cops, who brought in the Bomb Squad, and the grenade was removed. They put it in the explosives trailer and drove off to the disposal grounds - but it exploded on the first bump in the road they hit! This after all those years of weekly handling and polishing, being heated up during winter by fires underneath the mantelpiece, etc.

Like I said - unstable means unpredictable . . .
 
When he found it, he kicked it around small patches of snow, rocks and moss before picking it up and carrying it down the mountain on his shoulders, a two-hour hike through rough terrain. He and his friends then put it in the cab of his friend's truck and drove it to his Lexington Circle home.

I hope he doesn't buy lottery tickets later in life, because he's used up all the luck that life allotted him. :what:
 
I didn't realize the ski patrol got to play with that kind of stuff! Way cool. Do they still use those for avalances?

They're actually running out of the recoiless rounds, most still in use are overseas and those countrys have bought up much of the leftover Korean/Vietnam stuff.

The 105 howitzer ammo isn't growing on trees either but they can still get it from the Army. The weapons are owned by the State and are primarily used to clear the avalanche zones overlooking the highway. The resort might be leasing the shooting, I don't think the ski patrol is firing them.

Most ski resorts use hand tossed or helo dropped charges, not the big guns.
 
Two words:

Beavis.

Butthead.

:scrutiny:

On a more serious note: I remember when my brother and I were kids there was an incident something like this on the news. My dad looked very grim, turned the TV off, sat us down and very calmly explained how any old bomb/big bullet/grenade/whatever is inherently unstable.

In great detail. Pop was British Army corps of engineers, saw duty at Cyprus and Suez.

We took him very seriously and while we never came across old boomstuff, I'm quite sure we wouldn't have KICKED IT DOWN A MOUNTAIN.

Sheesh.

Every parent needs to have the "old bombs are really, really, REALLY dangerous" talk with their peoplelarvae.
 
Hmmm. When I was in primary school, they lectured us up one side and down the other about blasting caps, but nothing about unexploded ordnance.

Sometimes you just have to rely on common sense.

We got that talk too but it was from the RCMP, they used to show us caps etc on the promotional boards, if you've ever seen them you'll know what I mean.

RCMP also explaned that they found some people up at one of the lakes that were using some really old primercord (speeling), it looked just like yellow nylon rope, to moor their boats...
 
I remember seeing a photo from a old site, that showed a 16" naval shell in a english village! It was their war memorial!!:confused:
After one of these incidents that we have talked about, someone got the idea that this shell should be checked out! Well guess what! It was still live!!:what:
 
The Utah department of transportation uses a 105MM here for avalanche control. Last year they overshot their target by about 5K and hit someone's backyard. Some stuff to be careful with, for sure!
Talk about wakin ya up in the morning and your rude awakinging. Bet it was a mind blowing experience.

I recall way back - an old vet who kept a live ''Flaming Onion'' round on his mantle - I think he died of natural old age and never did know what became of the round!
Pardon my ignorance but....what is a flaming onion? It sounds like fun :evil:
 
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