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More nonsense from the Memphis Commercial Appeal--"Armed and Dangerous"

Discussion in 'General Gun Discussions' started by Seminole, Mar 12, 2009.

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  1. Seminole

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    The front page of the CA today has a huge headline that reads "Armed and Dangerous" with mugshots and information about three thugs who had Handgun Carry Permits (HCPs). After the jump there are 6 more similar mugshots. These scare tactics are really too much.

    As to the content of the article, where to start? Some of the unstated but obvious (though flawed) assumptions in the story are 1) anyone accused merely accused of a crime should be denied an HCP, 2) we can tell who is going to commit a gun with a handgun, and 3) if people are denied HCPs they won't commit crimes with guns. Oh, if only law-enforcement had discretion over whom to issue HCPs too we wouldn't be in this terrible shape. . . . After all, they are now forced(!) to issue HCPs to known criminal! :rolleyes:

     
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    I'm sure the guy in the opening to the story had a driver's license too. How many people are issued driver's licenses with prior DUIs who then go and drive drunk and kill people? Maybe we should end driver's licenses as well?
     
  3. Duke of Doubt

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    The Ol' Memphis Pecker strikes again!
     
  4. ServiceSoon

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    ...within the scope of law. What is wrong with that?
     
  5. Guns and more

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    Dear Memphis Commercial Appeal:

    What percentage of crime in your dangerous city is committed by those with a carry permit?

    If no law abiding citizen were allowed access to a gun, do you believe crime would go down?
     
  6. Old Fuff

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    Does the editor believe that if the individuals he cited didn't have permits (which they obviously shouldn't have had) they wouldn't have had guns, carried them, or not commited the crimes that they did?

    It is a far jump to say that if no one had a permit to carry a concealed weapon, criminials would cease to do it to.

    In our imperfect world there was a time when otherwise law-abiding people illegally carried concealed weapons to protect themselves and others, because they had no other option -except to become victims of criminals that ignored all laws. Today the only difference is that those that obey the law can legally protect themselves, and the authorities have some control and imput in the process.

    Would the editor perfer they we went back to the other way? :evil: :rolleyes:
     
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    The Memphis paper editor is just begging for a lawsuit.
     
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    Sounds like they want to repeal RKBA because we don't have a Department of Precrime.
     
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    Old Fuff, I know that you already know the answer to that is yes. He would prefer that everyone carrying be considered a criminal. As it is, his newspaper already makes that leap and is now gleening through the thousands of violent crimes that occur in the city each year to find a handful of permit holders who have committed crimes. This, after his newspaper's website posted the name of all permit holders in the state.

    Saw a news commercial tickler the other night that said that there are over 50,000 people in Memphis that have been convicted 6 times or more. I have not checked the facts out, but if even remotely true in a city with about 600,000, that is a startling number. Why wouldn't anyone carry regardless of the law when one of every twelve people you're liable to meet are repeat offenders.
     
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    Isn't Memphis a really high crime city? I wouldn't be surprised at all if it became like other cities with high crime and make it damned near impossible to get a ccw or even own handguns.
     
  12. slzy

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    to those who still subscribe to papers such as the commercial appeal,nashville tennessean,or whatever your local paper is that adheres to gannetts or any other anti-American line,please cancel your subscription. you can still go online just do it once a day.

    we still get a paper at work,primarily for the obits,the only part of most papers you can believe,and they are not written by the staff.

    a lot of people read that one paper at work.,and how would you know what advertisers to boycott without it?

    i suggest krogers and its affiliates. i let them know by placing ads in the local paper you agree with and support their editorial policy.
     
  13. Old Fuff

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    420Stainless:

    Sure I do, and the city's leftist side will agree with him. But others might get the point that he's willing to hang them out to dry. He offers no guarantee that disarming those that are now carrying under the color of a license will do anything to substantially reduce crime, and it would make more potential victims vulnerable. The best he could do is come up with 70 or so bad eggs out of the total number of permit holders that I believe numbers over a thousand.

    Like most of his kind he believes that people carrying guns are bad news, unless they are law enforcement officers. But criminals pay no attention to this. If they did there wouldn't be any gun-related crime in his fair city. As it is they are up to their eyeballs in it.

    Concealed means concealed, and in New York City, Washington D.C., and Chicago - just to name a few places, otherwise law-abiding people go armed. Passing more laws won't stop them, and so long as what they are doing is illegal the authorities will have little to say about it. On the other hand if these same people can legally carry with a permit, they will get one. That makes it possible for the authorities to have some input and impose some conditions, such as training and background checks. This is not a perfect system, but from most people’s point of view any system is better then no system at all.

    So bird-brain is saying it would be better to do away with permits under the illusion that would stop people from carrying weapons. It didn't work before, and it wouldn't work in the future. Clearly he doesn't understand human nature.
     
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