More Nonsense in Massachusetts Legislation

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Good quote:
"Extending the assault weapons ban and closing the pre-1994 loophole will not solve crime, nor will it keep all guns out of the hands of criminals"

So, why is this being proposed then???!?
 
From the ariticle:

Let's be clear. Semiautomatic assault weapons have no self-protection purpose. Unlike rifles and other recreational firearms, they have no sporting purpose. The constitutional right to own guns has never been found to extend to military-designed weapons of mass destruction

AK's and Garands are "weapons of mass destruction"?

I read the rest of the article and it is despicable in its lies and bias. :barf: :barf:

Does Massachusetts have earthquakes? :evil:
 
I think they take turns moving from MA to CA depending on the weather. That way they can screw up the laws in their summer and winter homes.
 
I'm planning on sending the following email to the globe, but I'd like to get your opinions before I send it...



To Whom It May Concern,

I just finished reading Senator Jarrett T. Barrios' op-ed piece entitled, "Assault weapons must be banned -- again" (http://www.boston.com/news/globe/ed...5/04/assault_weapons_must_be_banned____again/). Mr. Barrios' article is full of inaccuracies. He chose not to cite his sources, so we don't know where he obtained his information, but a quick review of the laws can clear things up.

The Assault Weapons Ban (AWB) (http://frwebgate.access.gpo.gov/cgi-bin/getdoc.cgi?dbname=browse_usc&docid=Cite:+18USC921) defines assault weapons as:

(1) any of a list of specific models of semi-automatic firearms,
(2) a rifle that incorporates two or more of the following features:
(i) a folding or telescoping stock;
(ii) a pistol grip that protrudes conspicuously beneath the action of the weapon;
(iii) a bayonet mount;
(iv) a flash suppressor or threaded barrel designed to accommodate a flash suppressor; and
(v) a grenade launcher;
(3) a pistol that incorporates two or more of the following features:
(i) an ammunition magazine that attaches to the pistol outside of the pistol grip;
(ii) a threaded barrel capable of accepting a barrel extender, flash suppressor, forward handgrip, or silencer;
(iii) a shroud that is attached to, or partially or completely encircles, the barrel and that permits the shooter to hold the firearm with the nontrigger hand without being burned;
(iv) a manufactured weight of 50 ounces or more when the pistol is unloaded; and
(v) a semiautomatic version of an automatic firearm; and
(4) a semiautomatic shotgun that has at least 2 of--
(i) a folding or telescoping stock;
(ii) a pistol grip that protrudes conspicuously beneath the action of the weapon;
(iii) a fixed magazine capacity in excess of 5 rounds; and
(iv) an ability to accept a detachable magazine.

The AWB does not outlaw the AK-47 or UZI that Barrios talked about. It doesn't even mention machine guns (firearms that fire more than one round with a single pull of the trigger, including the AK-47 and the UZI). The federal laws regarding machine guns are the National Firearms Act of 1934 (http://www.atf.gov/firearms/faq/faq2.htm#m), which controls ownership of machine guns; and the Firearms Owners' Protection Act of 1986 (99th Cong., 2d Sess. (GPO; Washington, D.C.; March 14, 1986)), which prevents the importation of manufacture of new machine guns for civilian use.

In his piece, Barrios claims that the AWB affects weapons of mass destruction. Most of the U.S. population realizes that WMD are Nuclear, Biological, and Chemical (NBC) weapons - nothing else. They are most obviously not firearms.

If you review the list of features in the AWB, there's only one that makes a weapon more dangerous: a grenade launcher. The National Firearms Act of 1934 covers ownership of the grenades that would be launched from a grenade launcher. Thus, Barrios' disingenuine attempt to indicate that some combination of the features that the AWB prevents doesn't hold water.

Any firearm can be used for self protection, assault weapons included. Any firearm may be used to fire projectiles at high velocity into an attempted rapist, or attempted murderer, to prevent a heinous crime. An assault weapon may not be possible to walk around town with, but it's useful to defend one's family from a vicious intruder.

In Vermont, the crime rate is one of the lowest in the United States (http://www.fbi.gov/ucr/ucr.htm#cius), and there are no state restrictions on firearms - they can be carried, concealed or open, empty or loaded, anywhere not prevented by federal law. In New York City and Washington D.C., there is a near total ban on firearms, but the crime rates are some of the highest in the United States (http://www.fbi.gov/ucr/ucr.htm#cius). In England, firearms are banned, but crimes in which guns are used is skyrocketing, and continues to do so (http://www.crimereduction.gov.uk/statistics26.doc).

The only effect of the Assault Weapons Ban is to prevent specifically named firearms, and specific (mostly harmless) feature combinations from entering private hands.

I ask very little: I ask that any discussion about this law be based in the facts, rather than in Barrios' falsehoods. And since our own senator provided an article full of falsehoods, I ask that American elected officials tell us the truth when talking about laws.
 
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Kudos and congratulations, atk. You've managed to challenge blisninny hogwash in an intelligent and coherent manner-which is more than I am able to do most of the time.

May I use the form and substance of your letter when the same crap inevitably comes up here in California?
 
Letter to Barrio and Globe

Senator, you’re much too bright to be spewing that nonsense in today’s Boston Globe. You need an education.


My letter to the Globe:

That Jarrett J. Barrios would state such blatant falsehoods regarding the consequences of the “Assault Weapons Billâ€â€™s demise in order to win favor for similar legislation in Massachusetts is irresponsible and deplorable. How about some facts? People will NOT: “be able to buy an Uzi and an AK-47†or any similar weapon should the AWB expire! Such guns have been tightly regulated since 1934 and termination of the AWB will not change that. Barrio’s statement is inflammatory and false.

Mr. Barrio can rail against these weapons as he pleases but the facts are that most if not all of the weapons on the banned list are only cosmetically different from weapons you can buy today that are used for hunting and recreation. Yet there has not been an outbreak of Columbine type massacres. The truth is these weapons even BEFORE the ban, were used in only a very small percentage of crimes and that statistic has not dropped dramatically since the AWB went into effect. (Those who voted for the bill ignored hard evidence from law enforcement agencies and the like).

According to the Center for Disease Control, background checks, the Brady Bill, and other gun control initiatives have not been shown to have reduced even gun related crime. Criminals don’t obey gun laws-does it then surprise people that these gun control laws have proven to be ineffective?! Guns in fact SAVE more lives than they destroy. (John Lott’s: “More Guns, Less Crimeâ€).

To make the leap that Massachusetts’s tough gun laws somehow are even remotely connected to its declining crime rate suggests that Mr. Barrio is speaking from emotion and not from research at best. The truth is crime is declining nationwide and fastest in those states with the least restrictive gun laws! (Lott).

Mr. Barrios has the duty to both propose and champion legislation that he believes will best serve the public trust. Let’s not abuse that trust. Mr. Barrio, check your facts!


Sincerely,
 
Give some thought to editing and pruning. Generally, editors prefer short letters. Sure, you don't want to just put out "sloganeering", but try for as much brevity as you feel is reasonable.

Art
 
RileyMc:

Thanks, I appreciate the comments :D . Everyone is perfectly welcome to use my words as they see fit, so long as the spirit of the words is kept.



Art Eatman:

Yeah, length is my primary concern, there. I could really shorten it by removing the law citation, but I'm hesitant to do so - I think it's really powerful for the point I'm trying to make.

I'll try editing and trimming down some stuff...
 
I finished my edits. I really don't see how I can trim it down any more, but I'd appreciate any thoughts (though I really don't want to remove the reference to the law - if it's not there, I don't expect anyone to go off and read it).

I'll submit the letter tomorrow night (06 May 04), so please let me know any changes you think would help :)
 
I believe to the uneducated, which includes much of the general public, anything that looks like an AK-47 IS an AK-47, so the Semi-auto WASR10, SAR1,2,3, even the SKS models, etc. (there must be a semi auto Uzi out there also).
The sheeple do not know that there's any difference between Full auto and Semi-auto, and the gun grabbers like it that way.

It should be noted to this forum anyways, that Automatic Firearm Licenses (machine gun licenses) are extremely difficult to get in MA, even for collectors. I'm not sure what the number of MA MG licenses are, anyone know?
 
I'd appreciate comments/fact checking for this op-ed:

"Mr. Barrios' op-ed of May 4 ("Assault weapons must be banned -- again") is filled with propaganda and lies.

First, he blames the Republicans for "killing" the assault weapons ban. This is a lie, in fact the original bill passed by the Democratic congress and signed by then president Clinton included the date when it would expire ("sunsetted"). No one killed it, least of all the Republicans.

Next, he attributes the decline in crime to the assault weapon ban. However, there is no evidence to suggest a link. If you look at Vermont, which has the least restrictive gun laws in the nation, you see crime has fallen even further. Actually, a better case could be made that, had Massachusetts adopted Vermont's gun laws, crime would have fallen even further here.

Then he makes a series of nonsensical statements. No self-protection purpose? If you confront a home invader, would you rather have a weapon or a sock puppet, the choice is clear. No sporting purpose? Tens of millions of law abiding citizens legally own and enjoy the shooting sport using these very weapons. Military-designed weapons of mass destruction? Pure propaganda, these weapons do not shoot chemical or biological weapons. In addition, no more than 0.8% of homicides are perpetrated with rifles using military calibers (and not all rifles using such calibers are usually considered "assault weapons"). More people are struck by lightening than are killed with these so-called "weapons of mass destruction". Again, pure propaganda.

Speaking of propaganda, he dredged up the old issue of the "cop-killer bullets". The truth is, not a single law enforcement official has ever been killed or injured by one of these bullets. It's a purely made-up issue to scare people, based on the theory that if you tell a lie often enough, it will become accepted as truth.

Another inconvenient truth that Mr. Barrios ignores, is that while all these wonderful benefits of the ban were supposedly happening, millions upon millions of already purchased assault weapons with these "evil" 30 round magazines still existed in the hands of the public. How can he explain this? How does he explain that New york City and Washington DC, which have draconian gun laws, also have the highest crime rates? He cannot. Gun laws only serve to keep guns away from the law abiding citizen, criminals will still get the weapons they want.

Yes, lets look at the facts. They clearly indicate that these so-called "assault weapons" are not a public safety issue. For greater safety, Mr. Barrios should be advocating adopting Vermont's gun laws rather than looking for ways to further deprive us of our liberties and constitutional rights."
 
nitpick...

atk:
Any firearm can be used for self protection, assault weapons included. Any firearm may be used to fire projectiles at high velocity into an attempted rapist, or attempted murderer, to prevent a heinous crime. An assault weapon may not be possible to walk around town with, but it's useful to defend one's family from a viscous intruder.
This should be "vicious", methinks.

The best protection from a viscous intruder would probably be a metric bunchload of paper towels. And maybe a sponge. :D

-BP
 
Nitpick Deux

It's interesting to note that if you enter "viscous" into the Merriam-Webster Dictionary, it will kick back several options to what you might have really intended...

...none of which are "vicious".

The alternative is to try to pass it off and hope no one notices...:p

Ask me how I know.. :banghead:

:D :D :D

Ron
 
Heh :) Thanks for that spelling catch :)

Personally, though, I prefer higly viscous intruders, who are so slow that they aren't able to move :D

--
atk


Note: Edited my original post, again, to correct the spelling.
 
Personally, though, I prefer higly viscous intruders, who are so slow that they aren't able to move
Having seen Terminator 2, I fear I must disagree. The T1000 was viscous, after a fashion, and that made him remarkably resilient in the face of small-arms fire. He'd probably have recovered from the grenade hit, too, if it weren't for that pesky pool of steel. ;)

-BP
 
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