More on MTV (Thursday) "True Life" On Gun Owners
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Tequila_Sauer
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A network that pledges to keep guns out of its core programming is going to put together an objective documentary on gun advocacy.
I'm such a glutton for punishment because I know what it's going to be, and I know it's just going to aggravate me to watch it.........but I'll be right there, in front of my TV, watching tonight with a disgusted look on my face.
I'm such a glutton for punishment because I know what it's going to be, and I know it's just going to aggravate me to watch it.........but I'll be right there, in front of my TV, watching tonight with a disgusted look on my face.
They're already off to a bad start. Portraying gang bangers and gun owners under the same definition of "Gun Owners" (as if they're all a part of the same group), is wrong.
Criminals and gun owners are synonymous?
Criminals “own” guns – yes. But, c’mon.
They interpolate a few slim buckets under the same category as us. That’ll shed some good light on gun owners in the impressionable eyes of today’s teens.
Criminals and gun owners are synonymous?
Criminals “own” guns – yes. But, c’mon.
They interpolate a few slim buckets under the same category as us. That’ll shed some good light on gun owners in the impressionable eyes of today’s teens.
Old Dog
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I hate MTV with a passion ... I believe it's symptomatic of so many of the worst aspects in our culture ... even responsible for the acceptance and spread of some of the worst things in our culture today ...
I cannot, on principle, watch MTV. Further, if the CNS article is at all accurate, it's guaranteed that this program will not only NOT be objective in any sense of the word ... watching it will only raise one's blood pressure (and like everyone on MTV, make one stupider).
I cannot, on principle, watch MTV. Further, if the CNS article is at all accurate, it's guaranteed that this program will not only NOT be objective in any sense of the word ... watching it will only raise one's blood pressure (and like everyone on MTV, make one stupider).
Bubbles
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Ummmmm..... while I don't know how the whole MTV piece will be overall, I do know that SAS member Lennie Evans was interviewed extensively for it.
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Will, your para (1) - I heartily agree. Para (2) - from one old shipmate to another, may I suggest that we monitor our adversaries as they flail around looking to develop a tactic that works for them. Recognizing that some of our youth (para 1) are taking that stuff in, it gives us a bit of heads-up to head-em-off... so to speak .Old Dog said:
Yeah, we'll rant some - even rave maybe - yet we could pick up some useful info. At the very least, we may even get to laugh some.
-AndyB
Old Dog
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Yeah, Andy ... you're right ... I should practice what I preach, and even though it sticks in my craw, I've gotta watch the stupid stuff on the tube just to keep up with the propaganda and other crass stuff our children, and the next generation, are being exposed to ...
K-Romulus
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not optimistic - at all
My kid bro (19 y/o) grew up on this MTV culture. His college sociology teacher showed them "The History of Gun Control," a History Channel documentary hosted by - MIKE WALLACE!
Sure enough, that one DVD undid everything I had taught him for the past ten years about firearms, firearms ownership, and individual responsibility. During Thanksgiving he was sputtering about how: (1) he "hates the NRA" for "what they have done" (2) "can you believe semi-auto civilian versions of the M-16 and AK-47 weapons of war are allowed for sale?" (3) he "can see the need for a handgun (maybe) for self defense, but who HUNTs with X firearm?" (5) "'guns don't kill, people kill,' is the stupidest thing I ever heard" and (5) "we license and register cars, why not gun owners and their guns!"
I calmly tried to explain why he was wrong on numbers 1-5 (that would be all of his points), and I could see he actually listened to what I said about the bogus "semi-auto" issue, but I think it was no-go for the other issues (guns are a "more deadlier" means of killing, NRA, and licensing/registration). A big part of why that is so (IMO) is that his generation is bombarded with anti-gunowner media saturation through TV sound bites ("43 times," "assault weapons," "spray fire from the hip," "ban handguns to save lives," etc). If the TV person says so, it must be true, right?
And the kicker - his buddies are history buffs with their Mosins and Mausers, and my bro wants a Springfield '03. "Weapons of War," indeed . . .
My kid bro (19 y/o) grew up on this MTV culture. His college sociology teacher showed them "The History of Gun Control," a History Channel documentary hosted by - MIKE WALLACE!
Sure enough, that one DVD undid everything I had taught him for the past ten years about firearms, firearms ownership, and individual responsibility. During Thanksgiving he was sputtering about how: (1) he "hates the NRA" for "what they have done" (2) "can you believe semi-auto civilian versions of the M-16 and AK-47 weapons of war are allowed for sale?" (3) he "can see the need for a handgun (maybe) for self defense, but who HUNTs with X firearm?" (5) "'guns don't kill, people kill,' is the stupidest thing I ever heard" and (5) "we license and register cars, why not gun owners and their guns!"
I calmly tried to explain why he was wrong on numbers 1-5 (that would be all of his points), and I could see he actually listened to what I said about the bogus "semi-auto" issue, but I think it was no-go for the other issues (guns are a "more deadlier" means of killing, NRA, and licensing/registration). A big part of why that is so (IMO) is that his generation is bombarded with anti-gunowner media saturation through TV sound bites ("43 times," "assault weapons," "spray fire from the hip," "ban handguns to save lives," etc). If the TV person says so, it must be true, right?
And the kicker - his buddies are history buffs with their Mosins and Mausers, and my bro wants a Springfield '03. "Weapons of War," indeed . . .
trueblue1776
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anybody know when it's going to be on?
Sindawe
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Beat me too it gfen.
Sad really, It was not all that long ago (ok, ten years) that MTV programming still consisted of mostly videos with a sprinkling of "reality shows" and some funny cartoons like Bevis & Butthead.
Now its just slicky produced and packaged propaganda.
Sad really, It was not all that long ago (ok, ten years) that MTV programming still consisted of mostly videos with a sprinkling of "reality shows" and some funny cartoons like Bevis & Butthead.
Now its just slicky produced and packaged propaganda.
trueblue1776
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Today?
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Sindawe said:
Yes, and back in our day, both MTV and VH-1 were still actually about music, not slanted societal commentary. I miss Remote Control!
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The MTV True Life episodes that I have seen have been the best presented,least biased documentaries shown on TV.There is no anchorman or interviewer like 60 Minutes or Dateline,just the subjects and cameramen who portray the individuals as they see fit to show themselves.Of course,much can be edited but they have been quite balanced.
I don't think showing the bad side of gun ownership is wrong or paints a false image of the collective law abiding,socially and morally responsible us.I do not CCW because I know that a large percentage of the 20k people registered here also are armed on a daily basis;it's not my fellow responsible gun owners and firearms enthusiasts that I fear may harm me.If there were no armed criminals,I would not carry a handgun.There is and will always be a negative side of firearms and their use;hopefully MTV will show the positive aspects more than outweigh it if viewed objectively.
I don't think showing the bad side of gun ownership is wrong or paints a false image of the collective law abiding,socially and morally responsible us.I do not CCW because I know that a large percentage of the 20k people registered here also are armed on a daily basis;it's not my fellow responsible gun owners and firearms enthusiasts that I fear may harm me.If there were no armed criminals,I would not carry a handgun.There is and will always be a negative side of firearms and their use;hopefully MTV will show the positive aspects more than outweigh it if viewed objectively.
Old Dog - I whole heartedly agree with your first paragraph also. However, for this one instance, I will retrieve MTV from the dungeon I have placed it in (i.e., it's not even included in my "favorites" channel listings) and tivo the program just to see what they have to say.
However, even before seeing it, I would have to question how objective or realistic it could turn out to be. To my way of thinking, creating a show on the life of a single gun owner is about as realistic as creating a show on, say, a single automobile driver. We are all different. About the only truly common thread amongst the many millions of gun/automobile owners is the ownership of the gun/automobile itself. I don't see how any valid conclusions can be made. But, perhaps they aren't intending to present it so that a conclusion can be drawn - time will tell.
However, even before seeing it, I would have to question how objective or realistic it could turn out to be. To my way of thinking, creating a show on the life of a single gun owner is about as realistic as creating a show on, say, a single automobile driver. We are all different. About the only truly common thread amongst the many millions of gun/automobile owners is the ownership of the gun/automobile itself. I don't see how any valid conclusions can be made. But, perhaps they aren't intending to present it so that a conclusion can be drawn - time will tell.
MTV on Guns: Thursday(2nite) 10pm EST
*MTV 'True Life' Documentary to Focus on Gun Owners*
By Jeff Johnson
CNSNews.com Senior Staff Writer
December 29, 2005
*(CNSNews.com)* - MTV, Music Television, has become known more for its "reality" shows and political activism than for playing music videos over the past decade. That trend will continue Thursday night with the airing of the latest episode of the network's "True Life" documentary series: "True Life: I'm a Gun Owner." While some firearms enthusiasts are giving MTV the benefit of the doubt, many gun rights advocates are
already questioning the objectivity of the program.
MTV's "True Life" documentary series has told the "remarkable real-life stories of young people and the unusual subcultures they inhabit" -- from a homosexual couple getting "married" in Massachusetts to young people "living a lie" by concealing their multiple, simultaneous romantic relationships or their sexual preference.
The Dec. 29 episode examines how "guns are changing the lives of four young people in very different ways," according to a promotional "blurb" emailed to *Cybercast News Service* by MTV publicist Diane Domondon.
"While most gun owners are responsible, on average every hour someone between the ages of 15 and 28 is cut down by a bullet," the promotional statement continued. "Whether it's for protection, crime or sport, guns are having a deep effect on the youth of our nation."
The promotional announcement did not indicate whether the phrase "cut down by a bullet" included injuries or only deaths. It also did not indicate whether the statistic included accidents or legitimate self-defense shootings by law enforcement officers and civilians.
The program features a convicted felon, a gang member, a hunter and a crime victim who is now an advocate of armed self-defense to present the various sides of the gun debate. Several gun rights advocates immediately challenged MTV's math.
"It's a bit offensive that 50 percent of the people they've chosen to feature as being 'gun owners' are people who are obviously breaking the law and probably acquired their firearms illegally," Erich Pratt of Gun Owners of America said of the gang member and the convict. "When you look at the statistics, it's only a fraction of 1 percent of the 'gun owners' in the country who ever use firearms in an illegitimate way."
Joe Waldron of the Citizens' Committee for the Right to Keep and Bear Arms said dividing the program's attention evenly between legitimate use and criminal misuse of firearms "really isn't balanced."
"Because, overwhelmingly, the typical handgun or the typical firearm is not used in a crime," Waldron explained. "What they should be doing is having interviews with something like 100 good gun owners and then one gangbanger, which would put it more into perspective."
Data <http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/pub/pdf/guic.pdf> from the Justice Department's Bureau of Justice Statistics indicate that approximately two-tenths of 1 percent of firearms available in the U.S. are used annually in the commission of a crime.
One of the founding members of the Second Amendment Sisters, Mari Thompson, said she is particularly disturbed by MTV's choice to feature a gang member in the program.
"If they know that these people are gangbangers and have these weapons, probably illegally, then they should not be putting them on TV. They should be giving their names and whereabouts to law enforcement," Thompson said. "Whoever has that kind of information, it's their duty to report that ... instead of putting them on TV, for goodness sakes."
A representative of the Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence said the organization would prefer not to comment on the program without having seen it but would provide analysis later. A voicemail message for the anti-gun Violence Policy Center said the organization's offices are closed for the remainder of the year.
Marshall Eisen, MTV's executive producer for the program, was not available for comment. MTV was not able to provide *Cybercast News Service* with a review copy of the program, according to Domondon, because the final edit had not been completed. The production company that filmed, edited and field produced the documentary -- Shadowbox Films in New York -- referred all questions to MTV.
Pratt hopes that, despite what he sees as predetermined bias from the network, MTV will treat the two law-abiding gun owners fairly.
"Especially the young lady who is clearly interested in using guns for self-defense, that's extremely important since gun owners will use a firearm in self-defense about 7,000 times a day," Pratt said. "Obviously, that's people's best defense in a moment of crisis."
"Hopefully, she will be an articulate spokesperson for our side of the issue," Waldron added. "Then, of course, obviously, the question is: 'Are the good, pithy things going to make it onto the editing room floor, or are they going to come out over the air?'"
MTV's "True Life: I'm a Gun Owner" is scheduled for Thursday at 10 p.m. (Eastern). *Cybercast News Service* will publish a follow-up report detailing reaction to the program on Friday, Dec. 30.
*MTV 'True Life' Documentary to Focus on Gun Owners*
By Jeff Johnson
CNSNews.com Senior Staff Writer
December 29, 2005
*(CNSNews.com)* - MTV, Music Television, has become known more for its "reality" shows and political activism than for playing music videos over the past decade. That trend will continue Thursday night with the airing of the latest episode of the network's "True Life" documentary series: "True Life: I'm a Gun Owner." While some firearms enthusiasts are giving MTV the benefit of the doubt, many gun rights advocates are
already questioning the objectivity of the program.
MTV's "True Life" documentary series has told the "remarkable real-life stories of young people and the unusual subcultures they inhabit" -- from a homosexual couple getting "married" in Massachusetts to young people "living a lie" by concealing their multiple, simultaneous romantic relationships or their sexual preference.
The Dec. 29 episode examines how "guns are changing the lives of four young people in very different ways," according to a promotional "blurb" emailed to *Cybercast News Service* by MTV publicist Diane Domondon.
"While most gun owners are responsible, on average every hour someone between the ages of 15 and 28 is cut down by a bullet," the promotional statement continued. "Whether it's for protection, crime or sport, guns are having a deep effect on the youth of our nation."
The promotional announcement did not indicate whether the phrase "cut down by a bullet" included injuries or only deaths. It also did not indicate whether the statistic included accidents or legitimate self-defense shootings by law enforcement officers and civilians.
The program features a convicted felon, a gang member, a hunter and a crime victim who is now an advocate of armed self-defense to present the various sides of the gun debate. Several gun rights advocates immediately challenged MTV's math.
"It's a bit offensive that 50 percent of the people they've chosen to feature as being 'gun owners' are people who are obviously breaking the law and probably acquired their firearms illegally," Erich Pratt of Gun Owners of America said of the gang member and the convict. "When you look at the statistics, it's only a fraction of 1 percent of the 'gun owners' in the country who ever use firearms in an illegitimate way."
Joe Waldron of the Citizens' Committee for the Right to Keep and Bear Arms said dividing the program's attention evenly between legitimate use and criminal misuse of firearms "really isn't balanced."
"Because, overwhelmingly, the typical handgun or the typical firearm is not used in a crime," Waldron explained. "What they should be doing is having interviews with something like 100 good gun owners and then one gangbanger, which would put it more into perspective."
Data <http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/pub/pdf/guic.pdf> from the Justice Department's Bureau of Justice Statistics indicate that approximately two-tenths of 1 percent of firearms available in the U.S. are used annually in the commission of a crime.
One of the founding members of the Second Amendment Sisters, Mari Thompson, said she is particularly disturbed by MTV's choice to feature a gang member in the program.
"If they know that these people are gangbangers and have these weapons, probably illegally, then they should not be putting them on TV. They should be giving their names and whereabouts to law enforcement," Thompson said. "Whoever has that kind of information, it's their duty to report that ... instead of putting them on TV, for goodness sakes."
A representative of the Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence said the organization would prefer not to comment on the program without having seen it but would provide analysis later. A voicemail message for the anti-gun Violence Policy Center said the organization's offices are closed for the remainder of the year.
Marshall Eisen, MTV's executive producer for the program, was not available for comment. MTV was not able to provide *Cybercast News Service* with a review copy of the program, according to Domondon, because the final edit had not been completed. The production company that filmed, edited and field produced the documentary -- Shadowbox Films in New York -- referred all questions to MTV.
Pratt hopes that, despite what he sees as predetermined bias from the network, MTV will treat the two law-abiding gun owners fairly.
"Especially the young lady who is clearly interested in using guns for self-defense, that's extremely important since gun owners will use a firearm in self-defense about 7,000 times a day," Pratt said. "Obviously, that's people's best defense in a moment of crisis."
"Hopefully, she will be an articulate spokesperson for our side of the issue," Waldron added. "Then, of course, obviously, the question is: 'Are the good, pithy things going to make it onto the editing room floor, or are they going to come out over the air?'"
MTV's "True Life: I'm a Gun Owner" is scheduled for Thursday at 10 p.m. (Eastern). *Cybercast News Service* will publish a follow-up report detailing reaction to the program on Friday, Dec. 30.
fiveoboy01
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AZRickD said:
Ah, blame an inatimate object for problems with our youth. Yes, those damn guns "cutting down" all those youth. Since we all know a human brain can't control itself when a firearm is around...
Typical passing the buck...
FWIW, it should read "While the VAST MAJORITY of gun owners are responsible"...
ralphie98
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By the looks of the preview I saw last week, they are at least trying to be balanced on it. I saw what appeared to be a couple of gang bangers, a hunter, and a young lady doing some practice with a handgun (self defense angle?). Even though there are no narrators to throw in their opinions, MTV will still be doing the editing so there is still that chance they could throw a slant in there. I will do my best to catch the show, if for no other reason than to discuss it here and know what everybody is talking about
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+ 1 to OldDog.....and I'm 18 and I hated MTV since I was an impressionable teenager (age 12). MTV sucks!!!
Hkmp5sd
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Think I'll pass on this one. Other than jacking up my bloodpressure, watching these type shows accomplishes nothing.
phantomak47
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I am 25 years old and a lot of people my age and younger have turned MTV off since its lost a lot of its edge .
MTV is borring and its gotten old fast.
The only thing I really liked was Beavis and Butthead, that is quality Tv.
I dont think they would even watch it anymore. Dammit Beavis , Mtv sucks.
MTV is borring and its gotten old fast.
The only thing I really liked was Beavis and Butthead, that is quality Tv.
I dont think they would even watch it anymore. Dammit Beavis , Mtv sucks.
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