More on MTV (Thursday) "True Life" On Gun Owners

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Didn't they teach her this in her required firearms training course?
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From the way she handled the gun when practicing at her father's farm, I don't believe she participated in any training whatsoever.

And how about her just walking out of the Ace Hardware with her new gun? "Oops! I was so excited I forgot to buy bullets!":rolleyes: They jumped right from "Oh, this 9mm is so nice and small" to walking out with a shopping bag.

And a whole new breed of MTV-educated, gun-hating imbezzles is born. Now a bunch of children will write A+ term papers throughout 2006 about how easy it is for anyone to walk into a hardware store and buy a gun.:banghead:

Seems like a lot of racist rubbish to me. The whites are college students and trophy hunters while the non-whites are gang-bangers. I'll bet there are a lot of proud citizens in those gang neighborhoods who have defended themselves and their families with firearms.

"Ain't no bears in L.A....we hunt humans". That quote there should be enough reason to allow any law-abiding citizen to own a gun w/ no questions asked (and allow anyone who kills in cold blood to hang).

The antis often argue "things were different in 1776." Well...I bet if the Founding Fathers walked through L.A. today, they would have changed the RKBA right to a requirement. And probably included full-auto and close air support.:)
 
KONY said:
Good point! Not sure if she did for sure but it sure look bad.

BTW, what'd you guys think about her closing comments about not needing to "carry it on me so much anymore" and her learning firearm disarming techniques?
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I say, to each their own. If she isn't comfortable carrying a gun, then I think most here would agree that she shouldn't be carrying one. She is in her comfort zone and is letting her guard down. At least the hand to hand self defense is better than nothing... :uhoh:
 
ralphie98 said:
I say, to each their own. If she isn't comfortable carrying a gun, then I think most here would agree that she shouldn't be carrying one. She is in her comfort zone and is letting her guard down. At least the hand to hand self defense is better than nothing... :uhoh:
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True, I agree that she did seem more at peace with her environment, which is a good thing.
 
The show actually wasn't that bad.

Until the last 10 minutes.

That's when they wrapped it up by having everyone show in their own way that nobody needs guns. Even the girl who was almost raped said she "doesn't want to feel like she needs a gun to be safe" and won't carry it all the time anymore. You don't carry a gun to "feel" safe, you carry it on the off chance you may need to use it.

The hunter shot a caribou "humanely." The criminal was found not guilty (hah!), only to end up in jail again 3 weeks later for posessing a "machine gun," even though he himself called it a semi-automatic. MTV added "machine gun" to the text description at the end. The ex-gang member turned savior didn't change but one of the two kids he was helping went back to his gang instead of leaving like the first one. Both kids and the ex-gang-member had been shot multiple times, linking them to the premise of the show.

The first 50 minutes (or should I say 30 minutes after commercials) was OK. The end ruined any positive message the program could have contained. It was because of the last 10 minutes that it might as well have been dead air time. There was nothing to take away from the show other than that MTV is a moral vaccuum on the air waves. There's no reason to watch anything on MTV, ever.
 
Just finished watching

Not as biased a show as I expected. Sort of objective, though the "legal" CCW girl in college was not a prime example of a serious gun owner who carried for self protection/home protection. She broke a lot of basic gun handling rules, safety, state laws ect. I think her father made the point she would not want to have the gun stolen from her home in a robery, so she should carry it with her. I'm 50/50 with that, but not carrying into a bar illegally.

The gang banger stuff should show anyone why we all should have the right to carry, to protect ourselves from these 13 year old idiots who prey on the streets of every city and think the three dollars in your pocket are worth your life.

The hunter reminds me what bad shape I'm in, and that I could never do that sort of hunt again, alas! The lungs couldn't take it. Probably couldn't fight off an attack in the street with my lungs either...especially if I beeped my horn and 15 people attacked me.

All in all I don't think the show did a lot of damage, except it may make a few more gang bangers think they are doing the right thing in the "hood".
 
I guess I didn't get the point of showing the hunter buying 44 mag rounds. It was probably for his sidearm, but who knows? He obviously didn't bag a caribou with a 44 mag. at 250 yds. poppy
 
The college girl did say at the end during the Judo classes that she wasn't going to give up her gun, and felt that she'd allways want to have one. And frankly, even we admit amongst ourselves that only about 5-10% of permit holders carry religiously.

I also noticed that at the end of the Judo class where she was practicing disarming techniques, she held the gun back at the "attacker", and it seemed just matter of fact. The implication that I took from that was that martial arts does not replace a firearm, but it does have a place in the force spectrum. They do teach "chop-sukey" to LEO's and the military too ya know...

Could you drive an 18 wheeler through the holes in this "documentary"? Sure. However, considering the source, MTV, it I have to say it was insanely fair.

They let the girl make the point clearly and early on that the sex offender only ran because he thought her mother was coming downstairs with a gun. Allowing that alone was worth whatever other creative editing they did. They gave her ample screen time of cleaning the pistol, target shooting with eye-and ear protection and demonstrating some muzzle control as well.

(It must have done some good! My wife asked me to confirm the combo to our electronic pistol box while watching it with me! Something that she's done twice now, since looking at WI's sex-offender site on her own, and finding out who some of our own "neighbors" are. You can see the gears starting to turn.)

The whole bar thing had me going :confused: as well, but, I don't think the majority of the "great unwashed" would pick up on that. IMO, only fervent pro's, virulent anti's, (and LEO's) would have picked up on that, and I don't see this show making any converts in those three camps, I'm not even sure the film crew or producers understood the CCW/bar angle frankly. Within the "bar carry" context they didn't do any editing to make her look bad.

p.s. That young hunter was the real deal, IMO. :eek: Wow. Hard core, at least as compared to all the tree stand deer hunters he left behind in our native Wisconsin. His little speech about a humane kill, and being grateful for the animal didn't seem wimpy or "sell-out" at all. Even Ted Nugent has his famous "Friend Bear" song.
 
I was cringing at the disarming technique being showed to the girl. If the attacker pulled the trigger, her hand would have been shredded by the slide's movement.
 
UberPhLuBB said:
I was cringing at the disarming technique being showed to the girl. If the attacker pulled the trigger, her hand would have been shredded by the slide's movement.
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I noticed that as well, but filed it away under "better to do something than nothing" etc. It's an extension of Do NOT get in the van with the perv. EVER Even if he has a knife/gun. You are better off laying shot on a public street with a chance, than you are as a lampshade in the guy's basment.

I think there's also some theroy that when being held at gunpoint at near point-blank range, the initiative and the odds goes to the disarmer. (Assuming 100% commitment on the part of the disarmer, a very important caveat.) Until you move, the shooter can't process that the disarm is in progress, and react fast enough. It's like that trick where you try to pinch a dropped dollar bill that was suspended half way between your fingers, almost no one can do it. The human nervous system just dosen't work that way.

It's a variation on the famous "21 foot rule" for LEO training against a knife-wielding perp. Only the very best quick-shot artists can reliably fire in that senario.
 
I honestly dunno how to react to this show. I sit here and can't help but feel that we, as gunowners just got stomped on. About 70% was related to gun violence on the streets, gang shooting and rivalry.

Then theres the CHL holder, which I gotta give the cameramen credit. I dunno how they can be in front of her as she was trying to hit the soda cans. Obviously, it seemed she was no to shooting as she would close her eyes before she pulled the trigger! Then of course, her chambering a round before she puts it in her purse. I can't help but to think of a AD occurring.

The Alaskan hunting segment was the most interesting to me. It just seemed pretty cool to see the three guys camping, and the search to find a decent sized bull. I enjoyed watching this one the most.

I know it was only an hour long, but dang, I think they misrepresented how real gunowners are. And it still put us in a bad light.
 
I turned after the first couple minutes and the gang banger with the Mac11. "33 round chamber, sprays 3 shots....Ptat, tat, tat, tat.." :rolleyes:
 
I can't believe I watched the whole thing, though the hunter segments were by far the best. That boy was the real deal and he did a really fine job representing the hunter/gun-owner population.

Concealed carry in a bar??? That really struck me. Poor girl though. I'm glad she made peace with herself.

I don't think I understood more than two words of what those NJ gang-bangers were saying. I heard "mac 11" and that was it, the rest was gibberish. It really bothered me that 2 of the 4 people portrayed were avowed criminals. Not exactly a fair representation of gun owners. Where was the law-abiding target shooter? That is probably the biggest group of gun owners in this country, and they [we] had no representation on that show at all.

It is funny that the criminals were from New Jersey and California (very strict gun control states), and the law-abiding gun owners were from Wisconsin and Virginia (relatively free states regarding gun control).
 
Not knowing Virginia's CWP laws, it did strike me odd to see the young woman carry her gun into the bar (a no-no here in South Carolina).
 
RaggedClaws said:
It is funny that the criminals were from New Jersey and California (very strict gun control states), and the law-abiding gun owners were from Wisconsin and Virginia (relatively free states regarding gun control).
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I spend a fair amount of time in those neighborhoods for work. Its ironic, law abiding, hard working, tax paying, gun owning folks like me that have to enter these areas to work are NOT ALLOWED to protect ourselves, yet these gang-bangin hooligans who could care less about me or that I'm there trying to better things for them carry without any qualms or fear of the law. Its only gonna get better when King Corzine and his cronies take over in January:(
 
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