More press on DHS Ammo

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The military and the police are not going to start firing on civilians or taking over cities or anything like that.

I have a theory that the government bought a ton of ammo because the liberals can't get gun control legislation passed and knew it from the get go. As such, they are buying up a lot of ammo so that the price of ammo and reloading components available to the general public is in such great demand that the price of ammo and reloading components skyrockets beyond even today's prices. If they can't ban guns, they want to make it so expensive to own guns and partake in shooting hobbies that only the wealthy are able to do so.
 
Kids I just HAVE to laugh. For 10 years I been saying we don't have to worry about the Second, we have to worry about ammo.
It WILL get worse. Think law/executive order banning ALL foreign ammo, and a stiff tax on the remaining domestic ammo.
Constitution doesn't say a thing about cheap ammo does it?
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That's what the UN Treaty that was just accepted will do. We don't have to participate or ratify it here, but any other nation that wants to wont be shipping anymore ammo over here or guns.
 
I can agree with this sentiment, from a non-2A related perspective, seeing as ammo is a precious commodity, and costs a great deal, not including the concern over what the said ammo is even for. I'm all for smaller federal .gov, and I believe wholeheartedly, that they don't need that much ammunition, it it's me the tax payer who is footing the bill. With that being said I feel a person is entitled to as much ammunition as they can afford so as long as the funds are provided for voluntarily. Not through taxation. Sure these organizations need ammo, but not large caches that could even arguably fluctuate the ammo prices at large by driving up demand.
 
Makes me wonder if there really is something to all these conspiracy theorirs about dhs. Maybe they know something about dhs we dont?
 
Strictly speaking they are wasting money by having such large stockpiles. Quit wasting money. Also, some of the smarter members of congress see it for what it is in reality. Obama trying to keep the people from getting their ammo. I hope it passes and they slam the gavel it's followed by another to start the impeachment of our dictator. I am so sick of his backdoor attempts at gun control.
 
And in a few days I am sure there will be comments in some way about how law enforcement are terrible shots and need to practice more...But oh, they dont need ammo to do it.
 
Actually, ignoring the conspiracy theories for the moment, two years worth doesn't sound all that unreasonable.

Looking at the current ammo situation if I was in charge of supplying a major law enforcement agency I might well want to keep enough on hand to insulate myself from just these sorts of market fluctuations. After all, there have already been news stories of smaller law enforcement agencies running low on ammo and not being able to replenish it.

Heck, as a private citizen I wish I had two years worth of ammo on hand right now! ;)
 
The numbers used were something along the lines that DHS uses a 1,000 more rounds a year per employee than the Army.
 
I believe this is something that our forefathers would have taken very seriously. We started as a nation that held immense distrust over even the idea of a standing army. clearly we are past that, but federal agencies having vast quantities of ammunition, possibly at the expense of private citizens having reasonable opportunities to purchase it, is very much in line with the thinking of the founding fathers.

I applaud the bill's supporters.
 
Ammo Shortage and DHS in the News

I know it's been discussed, and some folks just dont believe that there might be more to the large ammo purchases, but my tin foil hat is securly in place and I think there's something to it.... and I'm not alone.


http://www.foxnews.com/politics/201...gency-using-1000-more-rounds-per-person-than/

Reps challenge DHS ammo buys, say agency using 1,000 more rounds per person than Army

Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/201...00-more-rounds-per-person-than/#ixzz2RZme7jHE
 
Bill to limit government stockpiling ammo.

We've all experienced the effects of the current ammunition shortage (and talked about it, and its causes, at length here). Evidently some lawmakers have noticed the abnormally large ammo purchases by the DHS. They are concerned enough to try to take some action about it, although I don't know how far they will get with it.

Bill to prevent federal agencies from stockpiling ammunition.
 
Evidently some lawmakers have noticed the abnormally large ammo purchases by the DHS.
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The whole bit about DHS purchasing an "abnormally large" amount of ammo has been debunked multiple times.

When factored out over the life of the contract most of these "abnormally large' ammo purchases are basically in the realm of a 1 to a few thousand rounds of ammo per year for each agent the agency employs.

Or, basically sufficient ammo for practice and training.
 
Much of the ammunition bought by DHS is expended by state and local law enforcement officers while attending federal training courses. When the the feds require the state or local PD to pay for their officers ammo there will be some serious howling.
 
Question. If dhs has contracts to supply ammo, and they get theirs first, why do they need a 2 year supply? Seems like 6months would be more than sufficient.
 
I find it amusing that this story has been out there for upwards of a year, and most all have debunked it as "conspiracy theory".

And now it's the subject of congressional hearings!

Looks like it's being taken seriously by some pretty serious players.

Drying up the ammo. supplies with first-in-line contract status, while the big anti-2A push is on doesn't sound so crazy to me.... and there's certainly nothing illegal about it, either. Just remember, President Obama said he was going to do everything in his power to keep these crazy killing machines off of the streets. And DHS can get all the $$ they need with their fear and safety marketing.

It's all riding on the 2014 mid terms and the next SCOTUS appointment.

Keep praying the Chief Justics Roberts' ticker keeps ticking.
 
Or more plainly, this is a matter of monitoring government waste. It's not a matter of stockpiling per se.

Yes, DHS apparently has a stockpile of 200 million rounds. However, the various agencies under DHS are blowing through somewhere around 1,300 and 1,600 rounds per user. By comparison, one of the Congressman (Jason Chaffetz (R)) cites that the Army expends about 350 rounds per soldier. So, there are some simple questions of wasteful behavior, training protocols, etc, that the government agency should be called to answer.

Congressman Tierney (D) opposes discussing this in committee - citing that tin foil hat consipracy stuff has no place in such hearings. Which is dissappointing from a guy who has striven to strike missile defense as wasteful spending, seeking to redirect those funds to non-proliferation. It would seem to me that Mr. Tierney should be on board with something like an idea of redirecting the funds wasted on excessive usage/purchasing of ammunition to other DHS activities. Of course, a better argument would be just to reduce the expenditure overall, in these budget constrained times.

Parts of the story have been out there for a year, but it takes time to sift through the data, sometimes partially provided by DHS.
 
My opinion that we should question everything aside, has anyone thought this might be a foreign policy move?

I mean, they're going to need the ammunition over time, anyway. A bulk sale makes economic sense in the long run. As for the foreign policy, let's say it's money borrowed from China. I've heard the phrase "If someone owes you ten dollars, you have power over them. If someone owes you a million dollars, they have power over you."
 
Tell that to the Senators and Reps looking into it.
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When have they ever let facts stand in the way of a good media scandal? Haven't we just been complaining about Congress acting based on lies, unsubstantiated rumors and false information? :rolleyes:

Sorry, at worst I see this as a case of wasteful spending (and even that I can't say for sure without knowing how many rounds they are actually using per year and how). I just can't accept it as a conspiricy to dry up the civilian ammo market.
 
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