Mosin Nagant Ammo

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When I took my MN to the range last week an odd thing happened. The first round I fired had average recoil (compared to previous outings) successive rounds made my shoulder really sore, to the degree that I developed a bad flinch after only 3 "hot" rounds. Wanting to believe it was my imagination I gave my MN to my son to shoot, he too could only stand a few rounds before he began to flinch and had to quit. He was still hurting several hours later. We're both big guys and not particularly recoil sensitive. We've both shot it before quite a bit with no trouble.
The only thing I can think of is that the powder charge must have been very different. I'm using the cheap TUL ammo, I refuse to put the corrosive ammo in my rifle.
Has anyone out there had this problem with TUL ammo? If so, what do you recommend?
Would a different brand be more consistent?
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I recommend cheap, corrosive ammo for a cheap rifle. Clean it and it will be fine. I'm sure somebody was blasting corrosive thru it in the past.
 
I fired, no joke, 20 straight rounds through my 1932 Hex. My shoulder, two weeks later, is still yellow with bruise. This is with Yugo surplus 203 gr crap ammo. It's just a hard hitting round, with a non forgiving butt plate. Factor in that Russian soldiers wore uniforms and were decked out for warfare in Europe, we are at a disadvantage when range temps are in the 70's.
 
Whenever I shoot my Mil-Surplus Mosins, I use one of the Limb-Saver slip-on rubber buttpads from Walmart. They run like $20, and are WELL worth it, your range trip will be much more enjoyable.
 
i seem to be the oposite end of the spectrum. I pretty much only use handloads lol. A hot load will hurt even with the ati stock i have and its better at dissipating the energy then the steel plate was.
 
I dont really think the recoil is any worse than a 12ga and mine is the m44 version that is suppose to kick more. Ive run Bear ammo and surplus and have not noticed a difference. No pain or bruise here after a 60rd session. All firing off hand.
 
Those rifles shot nothing but corrosive ammo when they were still being produced by the truckloads, and yet here they are today. Nuggets are super reliable. Just clean it afterwards.
 
I have found there is a huge difference in felt recoil shooting a Mosin-Nagant from the bench (ouch) and shooting offhand. Same thing with 12ga slugs in shotgun.
 
I believe one of the great variables in felt recoil is the cross-sectional area of the butt stock and on the Mosin it is smaller than most and made of steel. Either a butt pad or something worn on the person to spread the impact will make shooting the Mosin much more enjoyable. As to ammo, suit yourself but I have run thousands of rounds of "imported corrosive ammo" through my Mosins without a problem. If the ammo was as corrosive as many seem to suggest there would not be a glut of Mosins on the market wiht clean bores.......
 
I'm with the other posters, I shoot nothing but corrosive surplus in my M39. I just clean fairly soon after a day shooting it. I think people get scared when they see corrosive, and picture running acid down their bores. The corrosive part only means that the salts left over from the primers is hygroscopic. This cheap, reliable ammo is nothing to be weary of. I also throw a slip on recoil pad on mine too, makes all the difference in the world!
 
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I use a slip on PAST pad everytime I shoot my Mosin carbine. Without it, I wouldn't last 5 rounds. Also as some folks have noted, shooting from the bench is a lot more uncomfortable than offhand or kneeling (my favorite position).

I shoot mostly corrosive ammo - just clean it as soon as possible - no problem.
 
Heavier weighted bullets, be them heavy ball with yellow tips or Soft pointed 220 gn hunting rounds, heavier weighted bullets will thump you a bit harder.

The trick is to hold the butt of the riifle tightly to your shoulder with your right hand holding it firmly there and manipulating the trigger while the left hand (for most of us) is very loosley gripped , much more of a resting platform for the forend, and you will neither shake or get hit hard, but you will be pushed a bit firmly.

I loved my weighty M-39 for that reason, a heavier rifle is better for alotta shooting :D I could shoot it all the do da day.

Light ball , either plain or silver tipped, will shoot as the Mosins sights were set for and have alot less kick or expense, just use hot water to dissolve and flush the corrosive salts out and clean as normal.
 
Thanks for all the replies, I'm stunned by the quantity and quality of the replies!
But I should have known that the comment about not using corrosive ammo would take center stage when my real question concerned the seeming variability of the TUL ammo. I have retrofitted my MN with a rubber pad that I modified to make it softer and it has never punished me the way it did last week. It was a horrible experience, it took all the joy out of shooting my MN.
Onlookers could even see the difference between my first shot and successive rounds.
I repeat- Has anyone else experienced this?
Thanks!
 
Tula isn't always consistent. Sometimes you'll get a weak round, other times an extra-hot round. Just the way she goes. I've experienced this with a few different Tula calibers.

Invest in a recoil pad, they're all over eBay for around 8 bucks. I have one on my M44, it helps a lot.
 
Correct me on this if I'm wrong, but modern commercial rifle ammunition is almost universally much hotter than historical ammunition, although I think modern commercial handgun ammunition might be cooler than historical ammunition. It's why you have to buy down-loaded ammo for the M1 Garand and you cannot use heavier and hotter modern loads for an SVT-40.

The surplus people typically shoot from Mosins is, IIRC, significantly less energetic than modern commercial ammunition. There's also the chance that you're using heavier weight bullets. The surplus ammo weighs 147gr. The modern Tulammo is weighs 148gr, but also features an improved powder charge using modern blends and also hasn't been sitting in storage for who knows how long.
 
There is no denying it -- they are some hefty recoiling rifles. However I shot through a 25m Army Qualification Test with one (40 rounds) wearing a T-shirt and didn't have any problems. I just made sure to pocket the stock firmly, turkey neck and cheek weld, and let 'er rip. I'm not really a big guy either. Maybe some of it is how "conditioned" your shoulder is to high power rifle shooting.
 
I've shot tula and not noticed that. But I mainly shoot spam can ammo. Matter of fact shot a new to me one for the first time 2 weekends ago. Started at 20 yards and destroyed the bullseye consistently. Moved to 50 and had similar results. Moved to 100 and consistently put them into a 3" group, which is great for me with irons. Im more of a optic shooter. I was very pleased. It shoots better than any other mosin I have owned. Which is only 3 but still, its a great shooter.
 
I bought a 440 round tin, and went through about half of it in four hours. shoulder was a little stiff, but what really hurt was my gums on the right side.
 
Carl N. Brown said:
I have found there is a huge difference in felt recoil shooting a Mosin-Nagant from the bench (ouch) and shooting offhand. Same thing with 12ga slugs in shotgun.
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Many people have no idea as to correct body position when shooting from a bench and suffer for it.

Lean down onto the bench and forward into the rifle, the now near horizontal and inflexible upper body becomes a fairly solid obstacle, blocking full recoil forces and one will pay the price. Sit near upright with rifle elevated accordingly in line to shoulder, and the entire body can recoil with each shot.
 
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