Mosin-Nagant Rifles finally cool now?

[Sistema1927]

I have a 91/59 that I think I gave $60 for some time back. The muzzle flash on that thing is so large that if I ever had to use it for hunting it would kill, skin, and cook with one shot. And one shot would probably be all, since it kicks like a mule.

Cool? Not the word I would use.

 

[FL-NC]

It will always be hard for me not to see those things as $75 rifles. Just like the SKS,

 

[MistWolf]

The only cool Mosin is a Finn Mosin that was used to drive back the invading Russian hordes.

 

[cdb1]

If I ever get a Mosin I’ll post a picture of me holding it, wearing a leopard print thong, with the caption, “It's time for this Django to be unchained.”

 

[MistWolf]

*shudder*
I just threw up in my mouth

 

[cdb1]

*shudder*
I just threw up in my mouth

Then my post accomplished it's goal. Don’t hold your breath waiting on me to post the picture, though some undoubtedly will.

 

[Danoobie]

IME, the cold shot with a decent Mosin is insanely accurate, but the rather whippy barrel starts to heat up after
one shot. A decent group at 100 yards could take hours to produce. 91/30, or M44, same issue. That said, they
aren't the LAST rifle I'd take to a war zone. They're just not close to the first in line.

 

[Mauser lover]

Is it popular? Yes
Is it a good design?
Nope. Not really even for 1891. The reason they are popular is that they are cheap. The reason they are cheap is they were manufactured in the kajilions. The reason they were manufactured in the kajilions is that they were standardized upon, when other nations replaced their standard arms a whole bunch more. Designed in 1891. Refurbished in 1930. Seriously?

USA: Springfield trapdoor, Krag, Springfield/Enfield, Garand
Germany: G88, G/K98, I feel like I'm forgetting one.
I'm not going to try Italy or Austria. Even Japan had at least three (I'm pretty sure) rifles in the place of Russia's one.

Is it getting collected? Yes, absolutely. Is it a BAD rifle? No. Just not a good one. Is it okay to collect? Absolutely! Is it going to get cheaper? I don't think so. Is it a good investment? Well... if gun nuts would be logical about their firearm acquisitions and purchase them with the idea that they are investments... then sure! But, most gun nuts have trouble selling guns

Is it cool? I don't like it. Some do. I don't mind if someone else does. I do have a problem with folks saying it is SUPERIOR to things like the Springfield 1903, US Enfield 1917, SMLE, Mauser 98 and even 93 and 96, and the Arisakas over in the east.

And I get the Mosin designation, but what in the world is Nagant? Why is his name attached to the gun? I should probably just google this...

 

[Bigmike79]

When I was buying them from $70 each, there were Lots of Buzzsaw Bubbas hacking them up and making mine more valuable. I belong to the Russian Mosin Nagant Forum, http://russian-mosin-nagant-forum.com/, a preservastionist forum, and we'd have 10 guys a day join without reading the forum rules (No discussion of permanent alterations allowed) and then ask "How do I drill and tap this thing for a scope?" At least when I joined, I asked "What's the best way to scope a Mosin?" I got a non-altering answer, which I never utilized, because after shooting them, I found a scope wasn't necessary. We'd have trolls join then post pics of their Duracoated camo Mosins with the ATI scope mount kit. They'd be taken down. All the while we'd warn these guys; "Hey, someday, in the not too far future, these $75-100 rifles you're Bubbafying would have been worth some money. Ours still will be. We've seen it before. M1903's were cheap at one time, as were Mausers. Look at the prices now" (This was ten years ago) "Yes, a lot of Mosins were made. Many were imported here. But that supply is finite, and even the lowly 1942 Ishevsk 91/30 will be worth $200-300 someday."
Lo and behold, that day has come. "Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it."-Santyana There will be no more cheap milsurps, as post WWII designs were all selective fire, and even the build kits of those have gone up, and no original barrels.

I haven't seen one for under $200 in quite a while. They had some at a pawn shop around here that were sealed in a case that came with all the cool extras that were going for $350 not too long ago, and they were gone almost overnight.

 

[Newtosavage]

Cool if you're a hipster millennial with a beard and man-bun. Otherwise, probably not. LOL

 

[cdb1]

Cool if you're a hipster millennial with a beard and man-bun. Otherwise, probably not. LOL

I definitely don’t understand man-buns. I was chatting with eastbank at a Scientology mixer and tried to tell him they aren’t cool but he said they’d bury him with his.

 

[Mauser lover]

Cool if you're a hipster millennial with a beard and man-bun. Otherwise, probably not. LOL

Wait... what's wrong with a beard? God gave men hair follicles on their faces for a reason! I don't wear gas masks frequently, so ymmv.

 

[DeadFlies]

Wait... what's wrong with a beard? God gave men hair follicles on their faces for a reason! I don't wear gas masks frequently, so ymmv.

Chicks dig it, too. The beard, that is, not the Mosins.

 

[Mauser lover]

Chicks dig it, too. The beard that is, not the Mosins.

I'm just happy my wife doesn't make me shave every day! (Or quit acquiring arms and munitions).

To keep this on topic (as close as possible)...

My wife doesn't tend to like big heavy rifles that kick a bunch, so she and probably the majority of other females don't "dig" Mosins. ARs on the other hand...

 

[someguy2800]

The last time I shaved in my life will remain my best friends wedding so I would look right in the 1940's army dress uniforms we wore for it. He is a reenactor.

Anyway, I saw an interesting post by a member on here by the name of Caribu who's location said alaska. He refered to the mosin as the greatest arctic hunting rifle ever made. Since I also live in the cold that got me thinking so I went out a morning this winter when it was 20 below zero and loaded and shot a box of rounds through mine while wearing a pare of big sheep skin mittens. Well he was right, its the only gun I've ever use that was just as easy to load and operate and shoot accurately with mittens on as it is when warm. I then tried to do the same with my 1895 marlin, no way jose.

 

[Mauser lover]

Ummm... why?

There are other straight bolts out there... Just curious. Just about every other bolt action has better primary extraction...

 

[LoonWulf]

Ive never managed to get a case stuck in a Mosin, so have no idea how well they deal with that.
Other than than i cant see any major design flaws, well besides the split rear bridge... thats mostly just me not liking guns with split rear bridges. Oh and the annoying safety...i forgot that existed, because i never used it.

 

[Mauser lover]

Short bolt handle (if I remember correctly)
Magazine spring is complicated and a fitted part. Good grief, it can be one piece of bent steel!
That rim causes all sorts of complications in the action. Can't really do double stack. Gotta have a separate interrupter. It does mean your ammo can be to wider specs. But that isn't REALLY that great...

Don't remember the gas leakage mitigation quality. Probably isn't fantastic, compared to particularly Mausers, because of Mr. Mauser's fetish due to his lack of an eyeball.

Don't forget the split rear bridge! (I forgot about that until you mentioned it)

I'm sure there are other shortcomings. It doesn't mean it won't work, but it isn't as nice of a rifle. Would I be happy to have a Mosin in WWI? Yeah! I'd be happy to be able to defend myself with any rifle that WORKED! Would I prefer to have a G98? Absolutely! Would I have a choice? Not as an issued weapon, I would have no choice. But now... I have options as to what rifle I can have. I tend to go for the small ring Mausers! I'd rather have large ring Mausers, but they are too expensive for my economics at this moment. Do Mausers have their own issues? Yeah! But, far fewer and less important issues than Mosins.

 

[someguy2800]

I really don't see how any of these things are actual issues.

 

[LoonWulf]

But the bridge is SPLIT!!!!!!...*SERIOUS FACE*

 

[Newtosavage]

I agree. That alone makes them suspect in my mind.

 

[Ignition Override]

With the carbines, which feel as rugged as a tank, all you need is one which is accurate.

Very cool-looking also, with the hooded front sights and compact length.
But it doesn't have plastic and a scope. How can it be effective?

 

[entropy]

My wife doesn't tend to like big heavy rifles that kick a bunch, so she and probably the majority of other females don't "dig" Mosins.

Try some 46 gr. Czech training ammo. All bark (loud!) not bite, like the .223. With good ear protection, she'll love shooting the 46 gr. stuff.

Caribu who's location said alaska.

below zero

Something about these two statements......someguy2800, Caribou is a big TV star; he's on a show called "Life Below Zero" I believe it's on Discovery Channel, but older shows should be on HULU and such. Lots of Mosin shooting going on there.

 

[someguy2800]

Something about these two statements......someguy2800 Caribou is a big TV star; he's on a show called "Life Below Zero" I believe it's on Discovery Channel, but older shows should be on HULU and such. Lots of Mosin shooting going on there.

I'll have to check it out. I watched a couple episodes of it awhile back. Not much for TV.

 

[illinoisburt]

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And one shot would probably be all, since it kicks like a mule.

Ha ha ha. Where does everyone get this from? It's tamer than many competing battle rifle rounds of the era. Certainly more pleasant than 30-06 or 8mm bolt guns with issue steel buttplates. If anything it was the reduced recoil round of its time.