300 Win mag or 6.5 creedmoor

[zerobarrier]

Update: 300 Win mag or 6.5 creedmoor - 6.5CM is the winner, now which rifle?

Ok so I need some help deciding between these two for long range target shooting. I have a 308 and 223 and I do reload. I will be using a suppressor with it. I am looking for something accurate for 600-1000. I am thinking a blueprinted rem 700 action with a match barrel. I was thinking this http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=453351363, I talked to him, said 1500 for rifle without scope and rings. Or a creedmoor in rem 700 or savage 12 lrp. Most of the custom creedmoor's are pretty expensive 2500+, I do like the look of that 300 win mag. Do you guys think that win mag is a good price and a good rifle for 1000yds?

As for scope I am looking at this http://www.midwayusa.com/product/250583/burris-xtreme-tactical-ii-f-class-rifle-scope-34mm-tube-8-40x-50mm-side-focus-1-8-moa-adjustments-f-class-moa-reticle-matte?cm_vc=wishList

For the CM I am looking at this http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=453850496

Opinions on either rifles would be helpful.

Any and all advice is welcomed
Thanks

 

[allaroundhunter]

Just for target shooting out to 1,000? I would take the CM over the Win Mag any day and twice on Sundays. It will be easier to shoot, and much cheaper (projectiles will be slightly cheaper for the 6.5 and it will use about 40% less powder). I would only choose the Win Mag if for some reason you needed the extra downrange energy (hunting), or if you would be shooting out to 1,500 yards and beyond.

As to that gun you linked, it just doesn't do it for me. Since I'm not much of a glossy guy, it just strikes me as a tad ugly - but that might also be caused by the seller slapping a scope on there that isn't up for the job.

And that scope should be a good choice for what you want. If you want another option in the same general price range, you can check out the Vortex Viper PST FFP line.

 

[zerobarrier]

I think the stock is ok, but I would eventually change it out to a chassis like xlr or something. I love the xlr on my 308. then sell the Hart stock on ebay for a couple hundred.

 

[urbaneruralite]

Looks like it'd be hard to go wrong with any of those choices.

FYI: http://www.realguns.com/articles/565.htm

 

[TBH]

I am hearing 6mm or 6.5 a lot for long range shooting. I use a 308 and 6.5 Grendel ar. I believe the 6.5 has 41 MOA of drop. I had a Browning 300 mag, with the Boss. Not a lot of fun for the spotter.

I just bought a Night force 5.5x22. No regreats. Almost twice the money, but...
Might try the PST next, but really like the night forse. Also, I'm thinking 22 power is plenty.

 

[Z-Michigan]

Just for target shooting out to 1,000? I would take the CM over the Win Mag any day and twice on Sundays. It will be easier to shoot, and much cheaper (projectiles will be slightly cheaper for the 6.5 and it will use about 40% less powder). I would only choose the Win Mag if for some reason you needed the extra downrange energy (hunting), or if you would be shooting out to 1,500 yards and beyond.

+100

Both will be somewhat expensive to shoot, but the 300WM more so, and it will have unpleasant recoil all...the....time... while the 6.5 will have light recoil.

 

[Gtscotty]

How handy are you? realguns.com did a super cool series on building your own custom Rem 700 build with hand tools that you can get from Brownells:

http://www.realguns.com/articles/307.htm

I'm determined to do a build along these lines someday when I have a garage again. The series is 6 different sections, and I think he spent around what you're looking to spend, but he still has the hand tools at the end of the job, so the next one would be a good bit cheaper.

 

[LocoGringo]

Between the 2 I'd also go for the 6.5 Creedmoor for reasons of less recoil and no need for the extra energy because you're just punching paper. However, to throw a wrench into the works, have you also considered the 7mm Rem Magnum? It seems to be a great fit in between the 300 Win mag and 6.5 Creedmoor. You get great ballistics that are comparable to the 300 without the recoil. As you know, the suppressor already removes a considerable amount of recoil, so I'd guess that the 7mm mag with the suppressor would feel more like a .308 and you get the versatility of being able to actually use the 7mm for something other than paper in the future. Of course, that depends on how heavy the rifle ends up being. Wouldn't want to hump a 15 pound rifle through the woods looking for a whitetail. Just my thoughts though.

 

[Casefull]

Kind of extreme choices in the recoil dept. Ported and heavy for the 300 if you are benching it.

 

[MtnCreek]

I would not buy a used precision rifle from gunbroker.

If I wanted an off the shelf creedmoor I'd look real hard at the savage you mentioned.

I had a 700p in 300wm, but now I just use a wm for hunting. My shooter is a 6.5 creedmoor.

 

[zerobarrier]

Ok but as for accuracy between the two, if they were both a new match shillen barrel, would they be about the same? I kind of want something with a little more power. I have a 308 that barely kicks and a 223, 22wmr that are very accurate that I can shoot if I don't want a big kick. Plus it would be nice to have a rifle that if I felt like it I could go hunt elk or other big game at distances greater than 500yds.

 

[LocoGringo]

6.5 Creedmoor does not have more power than a .308, just better ballistics. A 6.5 Creedmoor case can be formed from a .308 case. Are you looking for more recoil than your .308?

 

[zerobarrier]

I wouldn't mind more recoil, I just want something accurate out to 1000yds with the option of taking larger game.

 

[MtnCreek]

Ok but as for accuracy between the two

That will be dependent on the quality of the barrel, bullet, load and shooter.

With less recoil the creedmoor will be easier to shoot accurately.

As distances get further the WM will suffer a little less from wind.

 

[mnhntr]

That is an easy decision. The CM or a .260 over the win mag. The cost per round goes to the smaller crtridges. Heavy unnecessary recoil of the win mag gives no benefit down range on targets. The fact that after about 850yds they begin to equal out and after 1k the CM or a .260 will even surpass most 300 win mag offerings.

 

[allaroundhunter]

I wouldn't mind more recoil, I just want something accurate out to 1000yds with the option of taking larger game.

It seems like you are wanting to talk yourself out of the 6.5 with your posts. If you want the .300, go for it. Aside from hunting, though, the 6.5 has it beat.

 

[ironworkerwill]

The CM or a .260 over the win mag.

+1.

 

[urbaneruralite]

A heavy, braked .300WM isn't that bad for recoil. The muzzle blast creates some problems, but a decent brake takes care of the recoil. You don't need the brake on the 6.5, so you skip the problems if you want.

That green gun isn't really an elk rifle. A .260/6.5 CM or .308 will make it to 600 on an elk. I don't know where you hunt elk, but lots of places you have to keep wanting a 1000 yards shot in mind to get it. Otherwise you wind up under 600 yards where the .308 woulda done it. And you need extra optics to find animal and range the shot. Basically, you can afford an extra .300 mag hunting rifle for elk if you are realistic about associated costs and use the scope off your target 6.5mm.

As far as the accuracy of the two listed...who can say? The floating bolt head on the Savage usually equates with a blue printed Remington, but they don't always. If you're going to build up a rifle around a Shilen, etc. you can probably just buy a factory already done up. I would also look at other brands and versions of the short action 6.5mm and thirty caliber magnum. Tikka has some interesting stuff out.

 

[LocoGringo]

Guys, don't forget his part of the original post where he states he will be using a suppressor. It seems almost everyone has missed that part. For those that don't know, a suppressor knocks down A LOT of recoil as well as knocking out muzzle blast.

To the OP, I've been wrestling with the idea of a build and can't decide on a 300 Win mag or 7mm Rem mag. Have you looked at a 7mm mag?

 

[gonefishin1]

I have been looking at a long range rifles for a year or so. Mostly want one to try long range shooting with. Anyway i have looked at the ones mentioned, but what i like best so far is the 264 win mag. 2nd choice would be the 6.5.

 

[axxxel]

Something in 7 mm caliber might be a good compromise. .280 AI (.30-06 necked down) comes to mind. The 7 mm Remington magnum has better trajectory and almost the same oomph as the .300 win mag, with slightly lower recoil.

Also, you're only looking at the weaker 6.5 cartridges. Above the .260 you have the 6.5x55 Swede (both Weatherby and Tikka makes rifles in this excellent caliber) and the 6.5-.284 Norma. Both of these match or surpass the .300 Win mag when it comes to trajectory, but have a little bit more energy than the .260 and the creedmoor.

 

[zerobarrier]

To the OP, I've been wrestling with the idea of a build and can't decide on a 300 Win mag or 7mm Rem mag. Have you looked at a 7mm mag?

Yes but I was under the impression that it has a real short barrel life.

 

[zerobarrier]

I am strongly considering the savage 12 lrp now, I wish the barrel was threaded. I already have a rem 700 but I don't own a savage. Plus it seems components and even factory match ammo for the 6.5cm is more available and cheaper. I am having a hard time finding 300wm brass, besides whats on gunbroker, and the new stuff is more than $1 per case. So my question is how is the savage action compared to a rem 700? Can you get a savage action blueprinted or trued? Does the savage action need trued?

 

[mnhntr]

I am strongly considering the savage 12 lrp now, I wish the barrel was threaded. I already have a rem 700 but I don't own a savage. Plus it seems components and even factory match ammo for the 6.5cm is more available and cheaper. I am having a hard time finding 300wm brass, besides whats on gunbroker, and the new stuff is more than $1 per case. So my question is how is the savage action compared to a rem 700? Can you get a savage action blueprinted or trued? Does the savage action need trued?

You do not need to true a Savage action due to the floating bolt head. The LRP is a true low budget tack driver. I have one in .260 that shoots like a rifle costing 3x as much. My best groups are .244 in at 100yds and 6in at 800yds both 5 shot groups using 142gr SMK and H4350 giving me 2830fps. I am getting 636 ft lbs at 1k yds at 1420fps.

 

[pwillie]

I have a model 70 Laredo with a Hart Match Grade barrel....toped with a 6x24x50 Swarovski TDS scope(30mm).I have a HS precision stock and a target "Choat" stock....all for less than original price...The boss makes it shoot like a 243....300 Weatherby chamber.....have taken deer up to 500 yds..(That's the length of the field)....PM me and I will send you some pics...Best rifle I have ever owned....