Mosin-Nagant user thread

[kfranz]

Is there a way to remove the dot-matrix if it isn't etched into the metal? Or maybe parkerize/re-blue over top of it?

You could refinish over the top, or color it with a black marker. Don't remove the info though.

 

[Franco2shoot]

Where is the dot Matrix located... On mine it is very tiny font and about an inch back from the very front of the Muzzle.
KKKKFL

 

[Franco2shoot]

Tool Kit

Ok,

I know what the iron screw driver is for, and I think I can figure out the cleaning jag, but there's more pieces. Can any one explain?
Here's what comes out of the bag....

The little side by side tin can has some sort of grease on both sides you can just see some on the cap.

Here's a close up of the tools...

I'm really interested in the knurled knob. It precisely fits over the muzzle, and there's a little piece that looks like a mini barrel. The short pin will fit through the hole in the cleaning rod as well as the hole in the mini barrel piece.

Any Russian brethern out there?

KKKKFL

 

[alemonkey]

I think the piece that fits over the barrel is a cleaning rod guide, to protect the muzzle from getting dinged up by a cleaning rod. I have no idea why you wouldn't just remove the bolt to clean it.

Unfortunately a lot of soldiers apparently didn't use the guide, because it seems like there are a lot of mosins with banged up crowns.

 

[SGW42]

The rifle's cleaning rod is too short to clean from the breach. The knurled cap is indeed a muzzle guard.

The cylindrical piece goes over the cleaning rod head, and the pin goes through both of them to form the handle.

If you want to get all the cosmoline off your oiler bottle, stick it in the dishwasher.

 

[Deer Hunter]

This big Spike didn't see it coming. I love my M44.

I need to get better pictures of my Finnish mosins.

 

[Evil One]

Just getting started cleaning the cosmoline out of my M44, and picked up a battlepack of 135 rounds for it today.
Look forward to getting out to the range with it.

Cosmoline is Evil.


Evil

 

[Nugilum]

Which one?

Just kidding Cosmoline!

 

[lionking]

alright yesterday I`went to the range,it was Mosin day for me for the most part.To start I shot my M38 with a couple types of ammo.My M38 seems incapable of any acceptable accuracy,the hits go all over the place no matter what ammo though Brown Bear is the worse in all my Mosins.

I'm done with Brown Bear,in all 4 of my Mosins it sucks.

 

[lionking]

here is my M38 done with Wolf 148gr when I could still get it.It seems to like this ammo a little better but not much.


The fact what Im seeing is for good groups with a Mosin (except Finnish) a handload is needed.

 

[lionking]

I bought this M91/30 last weekend.Brown Bear typically delivered poor results,and I need to adjust windage its way off.

Anybody know the make of mine here?,its got a star and dated 1939.

 

[lionking]

and here is my other 91/30.Prvi Partizan ammo produced better groups that Brown Bear.

The other photo was done a while ago with Wolf 148gr.I need to find more of it.


Shooting to the right though,all of them.

 

[lionking]

having 4 Mosins,2 91/30,a M38 and a Finish M39 the Finnish Mosin blows away the others in accuracy.I think any future Mosins I get will be Finnish.Did I try every type of ammo no,but this gives a decent opinion I think unless I start handloading.

 

[MilsurpShooter]

Anybody know the make of mine here?,its got a star and dated 1939

Tula Manufacture most likely

 

[Nugilum]

It's a Tula. And the box with the diagonal line though it above the serial number denotes an arsenal rebuild. Your rifling should be pretty good then.

One of your pictures in post 211, the year stamp looks like "1959". Please tell me I'm seeing this wrong... Could be when it was re-arsenaled.

 

[Franco2shoot]

My 91/30 produces 1 inch groups without the bayonet, and about inch and a half with the pig sticker... I do cheat and use a rest, various ammo seems to just be higher or lower, but the group remains the same. Expensive ammo does produce a tighter pattern, but who, in their right mind is gonna spend 40 bucks for a box of Norma, when 5 bucks buys you 20 rounds of surplus?

KKKKFL

 

[Spiggy]

Nugilum: the box with a slash through it always means rearsenaled

You'll see it on russian and every other combloc weapon that's been recycled through the armories. Including AK Parts kits

it's a 39, the stamping has a wonky lookin' 3

 

[TheDisturbed1]

Got it last week. Shot it only on one occasion, and it was SWEET.



Thinking of sighting it in without the poker on the muzzle.. It kinda throws the balance minorly off..

Odd thing I noticed.. was when I took all the wood off, it appears to have a 2nd serial # on the opposite side of the original..

ex.
Top: MY 1673
Bottom: H 3865

As you can see it is Izhevsk 1943.

I wonder if this thing saw any action past the sight-in.. hmm

 

[SGW42]

Tough getting an answer in another thread, so I will try here -

I've got some surplus Bulgarian x54R that seems to be labeled "for machine gun" on the packing slip.

Is this safe to shoot in a Mosin?

 

[TheDisturbed1]

Tough getting an answer in another thread, so I will try here -

I've got some surplus Bulgarian x54R that seems to be labeled "for machine gun" on the packing slip.

Is this safe to shoot in a Mosin?

what does the headstamp on the casings say?

I think your good, I hear its the explosive ammo you have to worry about...

 

[SGW42]

what does the headstamp on the casings say?

I've shot some of it before. There were a few cracked cases, but it was very accurate and ejected fine. Just want to be positive I'm not in danger.

 

[TheDisturbed1]

If I'm reading that right, its not from bulgaria (the use "10" on the base from what I can find) and its made in 1947 as MG ammo?

cracked cases does sound a little hot..

I checked all the codes listed here with no avail: http://www.mosinnagant.net/i3tro4.asp

EDIT:

I had to translate the cyrillic.. It is bulgarian but doesn say squat about it other than its old: http://www.mosinnagant.net/b6lgaria.asp

Maybe someone else can be more help

 

[SGW42]

Well the lion at 12 o'clock is supposedly Bulgarian (before they started using "10" as their code) and the Cyrillic characters translate to VT I believe.

Tips aren't painted. My chamber is very clean. I assumed a few cracked because it's 60 year old combloc surplus. With the "machine gun" revelation I'm very afraid I was being unsafe.

 

[Nugilum]

From MosinNagant.net:
http://mosinnagant.net/r2ssia.asp

Shkas Machine gun rounds

From 1939 through 1945 7.62x54R ammunition was specially loaded for the Shkas aircraft machine gun. This ammunition was loaded to high pressures and could be dangerous if fired in rifles. To differentiate Shkas ammunition from standard rifle ammunition, the Cyrillic letter sh was added to the headstamp and the primer was colored red. In addition, the Shkas round has a slightly sharper taper to the base of the cartridge. The majority will be loaded with API, APIT and Exploding bullets. Do not confuse the 1954 "E" date code with the Shkas headstamp. The symbols used are similar. Shkas rounds will always have a WWII era date code and the letter sh will be the third code on the headstamp.

This is the only reference I've come across where a 7.62x54R round was considered dangerous in a rifle. These rounds had Soviet ID headstamps.

However, as always YMMV. Hope this helps you!

 

[TheDisturbed1]

I wanna see some internet videos of Mosins getting the snot beat of of them, dropped in mud, slush, etc. and taking a small cleanup and then fire like a dream JUST like those AK vids on youtube.

That'd be awesome

(would help me with an argument with a friend on mosin reliability)