Mosin Nagant Video Recoil Challenge

[Dontkillbill]

I just posted a video challenge for those that think the recoil of a Mosin Nagant is easy to absorb. Of course it is standing or sitting at a bench but shooting on the ground in the prone postions? Do people still do that?

Here is the challenge please join in if your interested.

http://youtu.be/iGkc5lstfJI

 

[YZ]

The link looks flaky. You sure it is spelled correctly?

 

[Proline395]

I'm in.... Sounds like a good time

 

[kostyanj]

It's a shortened link. Legit youtube video.

 

[Caliper_Mi]

No, the Mosin doesn't recoil more than any other 30 cal battle round. With proper form, it won't hurt at all. My problem is that it gives enough of a shove to shift my trigger elbow and disrupt my position, but I'm a lightweight... Sitting at a bench you will experience the worst felt recoil. Shooting in field positions; prone, seated absorb recoil pretty well. Especially if you are using a sling as a shooting aid.

 

[YZ]

Got it. You did fine with the Mosin, it is an old battle rifle firing surplus ammo. It was built to shoot about 1 MOA in the first place (Minute of the Adversary).

I cannot remember anybody say that the Mosin recoil is easy to absorb. To honestly feel that way one must weigh at least 500 lbs and be made of memory foam. With the steel buttpad, excuse me. That some people like the kick and the blast is another matter.

P.S. we are talking perceived recoil, which is not an exact science. The Mosin is old school, it does nothing to dissipate or redirect the force. People just got used to it, because it was all they got.

 

[Dontkillbill]

I sure feel it more in the prone position vs bench but this the is the great thing post a vid and show your stuff.

 

[Murphy4570]

Mosin recoil is dependent on shooting position and how well your shooting stance is.

Offhand position, it is easy peasy. Most anything else and that steel buttpad will chew up your shoulder after 100 rounds or so. I usually don't shoot more than that in a day for that reason, sore shoulder.

Of all the 30 caliber battle rifles, the Mosin does list towards the top as far as "felt" recoil goes. M1903 Springfield and M24/47 Mauser is up there too.

 

[Ian]

Sounds like fun to me...does it have to be a 91/30, or are other variants allowed, like a Finn M39? Can I get bonus points for using an M38 or M44?

 

[Cosmoline]

Prone tends to shift it to your collar bone where you'll feel it more.

 

[Dontkillbill]

Yeah prone can be a touch ouchy and cause flinches.

 

[YZ]

Bonus, what bonus? The carbine recoils about the same, just loud as heck.

The Mosin was not meant to be a "want" rifle. It was a "need" rifle. It did not aim to please. Captain Mosin would have been amused at how Americans strive to have fun with his battle tool.

 

[Ian]

The Mosin was adopted for service in 1891, not in the middle of a war. It wasn't a product of desperation, but rather the best rifle the Russian military felt they could get - and a darn good one in fact. The US was still claiming that bolt action were just a waste of ammo, and using converted muzzle-loading muskets in 1891.

Wartime production leaves something to be desired (as in every nation's armaments), but pre-war Mosins are excellent rifles.

 

[dark.zero.x]

I'm in, Do I get points for using a carbine?

 

[YZ]

Ian

How do you tell it's a prewar Mosin, not looking at the rollmarks?

 

[Ian]

I was referring to the design in general, not a particular example...although you can tell some early rifles by features like the pre-30 rear sight or the longer barrel of the M1891.

 

[YZ]

As well as the hex receiver.

Wartime production leaves something to be desired (as in every nation's armaments), but pre-war Mosins are excellent rifles.

What in your opinion was left to be desired in the wartime production Mosins? (it appears you were referring to WW1)

 

[Ian]

Just the finish and aesthetic quality of the WW2 rifles seems crude to me, compared to earlier ones. I don't think WWI production really suffered, but I haven't looked at many examples.

 

[Dontkillbill]

I've seen some nice mosins and the best ones I've seen are the finnish made rifles.

Anyway a Finnish capture or a m39 would be very cool

 

[TrickyDick]

I'll back up what Ian is saying about the quality of the MN design, and lack of in wartime production. I have a 1939 Izshevesk 91/30. It's not a hex receiver, but it's a very good quality Mosin, with nice bluing, a beautiful wood stock. Now, on the other hand, my Father in law's 1944 tula 91/30 has machining lines down the entire length of the barrel, his stock is a few pieces of wood put together to make it, various black paint on different spots, and his projectiles are tumbling at 100 yards.

so wartime production did suffer a bit.

 

[Mitlov]

The guy in the video was wearing a tee-shirt, not an 1890s Russian military uniform. I suspect the Imperial Russian uniform would supply the inch of dense padding of a recoil pad.

Russian soldiers in the 1904 Russo-Japanese War with their full-body recoil pads:

 

[YZ]

Dick

Tumbling bullets is a serious shortcoming. It may certainly result from poor initial quality, but more likely from the bore all shot up, corroded, or both. This is not to say wartime production is necessarily 100% par. Common sense says it may not be. But a random sample of 1 or reading the Internet is not enough base for a solid opinion. My buddy's 91/30 Izhevsk 1942 shot par with my M44 Izhevsk 1946. It may well be that sample variations override the year of production alone.

It's not a hex receiver, but it's a very good quality Mosin

Is a hex receiver Mosin, in your opinion, typically better? Why the "but"?

 

[YZ]

Miltov

The Cossacks on the photo were cavalry. The infantry troops were also well padded in the winter, but wore light uniforms in the summer. The point is, soldiers did not complain anyway. Russian soldiers especially. They faced hardships that made rifle recoil moot.

 

[DeepSouth]

The Mosin really ain't that bad recoil wise, you know it when you shoot it but as far as pain.... meh. I'd say 80% of the time I'm shooting a rifle it's bigger and more painful than a Mosin.

 

[Dontkillbill]

Great picture!


Some mosins have big bores. Try a larger cast bullet it might help with the tumbling.

This Challenge is for everyone that says My 300 win mag kicks not mentioning that they 60 dollar recoil pad and shoot off a bench, 2 bean bags and a shade cover.

Lets see the replies!!!