so after seeing a crate of these rifles for a little over $100 at my local gun store, it sparked my curiosity... yes, they are cheap compared to AK or AR but are they worth messing with? to get a new caliber of ammo and from what I understand, they aren't even that accurate... is it worth getting one when you are used to better, modern rifles?
Mosin Nagant...
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firesky101
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They are lots of fun. You can make them fairly accurate if you want to invest a little elbow grease, but why? Take it to the range and at less than .25 a round you have a fire breathing monster. So yeah fun, that is the best I have got.
FlyinBryan
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they are a high powered rifle, firing a round that is quite potent, for 100 dollars. ammo is pretty much dirt cheap compared to anything in its ballistic neighborhood.
mine are more accurate than my ex brother-in-laws remington model 7400 30-06, which cost around 500 new (but not as accurate as my m1 garands, but still, you wouldnt really expect them to be, or at least i didnt)
they are rough by most peoples standards. they are as tough as they are rough, and if you dont like it, like you said, its a 100 dollar rifle
mine are more accurate than my ex brother-in-laws remington model 7400 30-06, which cost around 500 new (but not as accurate as my m1 garands, but still, you wouldnt really expect them to be, or at least i didnt)
they are rough by most peoples standards. they are as tough as they are rough, and if you dont like it, like you said, its a 100 dollar rifle
BCRider
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If you're after sub MOA bench rest like accuracy then it's not the gun for you. If you're after a fun too shoot powerful plinker that has a lot of history behind it then it's a great deal.
There are a lot of well documented tricks and hints to smooth up the operation and to perk up the accuracy. But in the end it's not a long range match rifle and it never will be.
There are a lot of well documented tricks and hints to smooth up the operation and to perk up the accuracy. But in the end it's not a long range match rifle and it never will be.
Deus Machina
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For $100, I'd grab any functioning rifle.
Most Mosins are more accurate than you hear about, but may like the harder-to-find 'heavy ball'. My M44 likes the basic stuff just fine, but seems to enjoy anything over 147-grain and still loaded stout.
Yes, it's sort of 'clunky' and the trigger is mushy, and it's not freefloated or had any accuracy tricks done to it.
It will still shoot 3 or 4-inch groups with the iron sights at 100 yards, but my arm starts shaking a little after the first couple shots.
Most Mosins are more accurate than you hear about, but may like the harder-to-find 'heavy ball'. My M44 likes the basic stuff just fine, but seems to enjoy anything over 147-grain and still loaded stout.
Yes, it's sort of 'clunky' and the trigger is mushy, and it's not freefloated or had any accuracy tricks done to it.
It will still shoot 3 or 4-inch groups with the iron sights at 100 yards, but my arm starts shaking a little after the first couple shots.
Chris-bob
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I like them. But I like most firearms. I also have a tough time passing up on any inexpensive firearm(ask my wife). I figure if I ever need to, I can sell them later for what I paid and have some fun shooting them in the meantime. For $100, you can't go wrong on any rifle that is fully functional.
RCArms.com
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I really like my M91/30 rifle. Finnish Capture WWII issued with tons of history behind it. Very gentle recoil compared to the M38 and M44 Carbines.
It's likely to make it out deer hunting this year as it's boringly accurate within 200 yards.
It's likely to make it out deer hunting this year as it's boringly accurate within 200 yards.
I dunno mines pretty accurate, Bubbasmithing and all.
Honestly i think the biggest issue with accuracy are the sights. I personally cant do much better then 3" at 100yds with ANY iron sight, and i was lucky to hold 8" with the nagants sights.
Honestly i think the biggest issue with accuracy are the sights. I personally cant do much better then 3" at 100yds with ANY iron sight, and i was lucky to hold 8" with the nagants sights.
caribou
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I have the M-39 variet of he Mosin Nagant, I use mine a coupl times a week. It sthe most accurate rifle I own, and terfore I use it constantly. As well , I have several 91/30's and none are inaccurate.
The quality of ammo has a lot to do with the accuracy of the rifle, and varies from country to country. The fairly plentyfull Russian is good stuff, but I do 600 yard open sight shots on Wolves, and close shots on 'Meats' when ever possible, but I live in teh WIDE OPEN Tundra, and an accurate rifle with range and punch are what I need.
Given a choice, I'd make mine a Mosin, and I do.
The quality of ammo has a lot to do with the accuracy of the rifle, and varies from country to country. The fairly plentyfull Russian is good stuff, but I do 600 yard open sight shots on Wolves, and close shots on 'Meats' when ever possible, but I live in teh WIDE OPEN Tundra, and an accurate rifle with range and punch are what I need.
Given a choice, I'd make mine a Mosin, and I do.
Buck Kramer
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I can hit clays on the 120 yard burm, that's all the accuracy I need...
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Accuracy depends from rifle to rifle but I would hardly classify the Mosin Nagant 91/30 as an inaccurate rifle by any stretch. As for if it's worth it: "Try to find another rifle as accurate, rugged,& "inexpensive" (I hate to use the term cheap for the $100 cost of this rifle.)
Now as for the Ammo: Surplus cheap (Corrosive) and works just fine, Commercial Steel Case inexpensive (Non-corrosive), or Commercial Brass Cased inexpensive and they make Soft Point hunting rounds for it. What is not to love about this whole setup.
Now as for the Ammo: Surplus cheap (Corrosive) and works just fine, Commercial Steel Case inexpensive (Non-corrosive), or Commercial Brass Cased inexpensive and they make Soft Point hunting rounds for it. What is not to love about this whole setup.
AJMBLAZER
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If your standard is an accurized, sub-MOA, tacticooled out dork AR M4 wannabe with 10lbs of crap hanging off of it that bears little relation but superficial resemblance to the real US military weapons...
...no, you won't like a Mosin.
You also won't like a Garand, M1911, revolver, Enfield, anything made of steel and wood, anything with recoil...etc etc etc.
However if you just want a neat old gun that is minute of bad guy accurate at 400 yards then give it a try. In an era when Mausers are $300+, Enfields are scarce, and US surplus rifles are $700+ the Mosin is a great buy.
Love my M44. Don't shoot it a lot but it's plenty accurate for a combat rifle.
...no, you won't like a Mosin.
You also won't like a Garand, M1911, revolver, Enfield, anything made of steel and wood, anything with recoil...etc etc etc.
However if you just want a neat old gun that is minute of bad guy accurate at 400 yards then give it a try. In an era when Mausers are $300+, Enfields are scarce, and US surplus rifles are $700+ the Mosin is a great buy.
Love my M44. Don't shoot it a lot but it's plenty accurate for a combat rifle.
They are old guns of that era. Dont expect them to be like guns of today but be assured they are built tough, simple and reliable. The caliber is more than enough to tell you its a man's gun. They are rough for the most part but you get used to it. Just think of it as musket in centerfire caliber.
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That all depends on your intended purpose...
Tempest 455
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This why I like the carbines!
And plenty accurate at 100 yards with an adjustable rear sight.
And plenty accurate at 100 yards with an adjustable rear sight.
Joshua M. Smith
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Hello,
Did you know that when the United States government bought Mosin-Nagants from Remington and Westinghouse in 1918 to protect them from financial disaster over Russia’s default through revolution, it cost taxpayers $30 apiece? Thirty dollars in 1918 is equivalent to about $452.00 in 2012 dollars.
These were not cheap rifles! They are only inexpensive now because they are being sold at scrap prices to make room and money for Russia!
You should be able to pull about 2.5MOA out of that thing with the proper shims in place.
Regards,
Josh
Did you know that when the United States government bought Mosin-Nagants from Remington and Westinghouse in 1918 to protect them from financial disaster over Russia’s default through revolution, it cost taxpayers $30 apiece? Thirty dollars in 1918 is equivalent to about $452.00 in 2012 dollars.
These were not cheap rifles! They are only inexpensive now because they are being sold at scrap prices to make room and money for Russia!
You should be able to pull about 2.5MOA out of that thing with the proper shims in place.
Regards,
Josh
Dr. Sandman
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Buy a Mosin and a crate of cheap surplus ammo today. If you can't find something that you like about it, you're on the wrong forum! It's much less expensive and more effective than other stress therapy.
Like other people have said....it will vary rifle to rifle...when looking at one just for shooting I would pick one with the best bore you can find. The stock is pretty thin so they do hit you (me) pretty hard...but a slip on butt pad fixes that easy.
I have 3 rifles, the newest being a 1942 version. All of them when locked in a rest will put 5 shots inside a 20lb pumpkin at 100yrds. They do heat up pretty quick, so if you want everything as good as it can get take some time between shots....know I know why in all those war movies the russians had gloves...it was not for the cold but for how hot those guns got.
Ammo is another thing...everything you read about surplus ammo is true....it will rust a bore quicker then you can say Jack Robinson...so remember that. That said it is very cheap and is good enough for some fun.
They are great rifles, and likely after shooting one you will want another....they are very fun.
I have 3 rifles, the newest being a 1942 version. All of them when locked in a rest will put 5 shots inside a 20lb pumpkin at 100yrds. They do heat up pretty quick, so if you want everything as good as it can get take some time between shots....know I know why in all those war movies the russians had gloves...it was not for the cold but for how hot those guns got.
Ammo is another thing...everything you read about surplus ammo is true....it will rust a bore quicker then you can say Jack Robinson...so remember that. That said it is very cheap and is good enough for some fun.
They are great rifles, and likely after shooting one you will want another....they are very fun.
They're accurate enough: http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Bl3JRI75SsI
mortablunt
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They're definitely worth it. The horrible accuracy is only for the guys who think 1MoA is passage and just do precision shooting. Accuracy is 3MoA, but can be tightened up into a ~2MoA with a bit of care.
Imperial Guardsman
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Just think about it, for $100 you get:
A spear,
A pole vault,
A tent pole,
A hammer,
A club,
And a rifle all in one!
A spear,
A pole vault,
A tent pole,
A hammer,
A club,
And a rifle all in one!
99quicksilver
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If you clean them when you get home...corrosive ammo isn't an issue...if you're worried then toss in a bottle of Hoppes and a bore snake when you go to the range...
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I bought mine from an old gent about 10 years ago for $100. A 91/59. That's a long one cut down in 1959 to carbine length.
I have to say it's about the most fun military rifle I have ever fired. And fairly accurate too. I have an M-1 Garand and a 1903A3 Springfield but mighty often I'll just take the Mosin and some of that cheap steel corrosive surplus ammo and blast away.
One tip - if your action is stiff, pull the cocking piece back after firing a round -THEN work the bolt. You won't have to yank and pound away to chamber the next round.
Buy one -they're fun.
I bought mine from an old gent about 10 years ago for $100. A 91/59. That's a long one cut down in 1959 to carbine length.
I have to say it's about the most fun military rifle I have ever fired. And fairly accurate too. I have an M-1 Garand and a 1903A3 Springfield but mighty often I'll just take the Mosin and some of that cheap steel corrosive surplus ammo and blast away.
One tip - if your action is stiff, pull the cocking piece back after firing a round -THEN work the bolt. You won't have to yank and pound away to chamber the next round.
Buy one -they're fun.
I got my first one many years ago, when there wasn't any cheap surplus available. The Iron Curtain was still locked down tight. If you wanted to shoot it, you bought (and reloaded) the expensive Norma rounds for it.
Of course, that wasn't my last Mosin by any means. There are many variations, and with many of them being inexpensive, can keep a collector busy and happy for a long time.
Of course, that wasn't my last Mosin by any means. There are many variations, and with many of them being inexpensive, can keep a collector busy and happy for a long time.
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