Funderb
Member
well, now I don't feel so bad.
but yes indeed, what is it that is so poorly made about them?
but yes indeed, what is it that is so poorly made about them?
Mosins: Do You Like Them?
- Thread starter Geno
- Start date
- Status
Ash
Member
Or, better yet, let's open the floor. What design elements of the Mosin do you find crappy, kendrick?
Ash
Ash
tkendrick
Member
Obviously, you don't allow any one to disagree with you.
I have shot several Mosins, including Finish and American (Remington) made. They were not (quality wise) pieces of junk. Who exactly is jumping to conclusions here?
In a world of military bolt action rifles, where the k98=Rolls-Royce, the Mosin is a Yugo.
Funderb
Member
Read the edit that I wrote in.
No, generally I don't.
still, what's the flaw?
No, generally I don't.
still, what's the flaw?
Funderb
Member
I want your collection, vaarok.
Ash
Member
Kendrick, you called them a POS. That, in my lexicon, equals junk.
The most successful sniper rifle in the history of the world in terms of distribution and total kills is the Mosin. Some of the most successful snipers in the world fired Mosins. One of the most successful snipers in the world didn't even need optics.
The record speaks differently than you.
Oh, and by the way, the Finnish M28/30 was held to a far higher standard of accuracy than any K98k.
Ash
The most successful sniper rifle in the history of the world in terms of distribution and total kills is the Mosin. Some of the most successful snipers in the world fired Mosins. One of the most successful snipers in the world didn't even need optics.
The record speaks differently than you.
Oh, and by the way, the Finnish M28/30 was held to a far higher standard of accuracy than any K98k.
Ash
Funderb
Member
Don't you love arguing with someone that doesn't even take the time to understand your posts?
Never liked them at first.
Then I bought an M44 on impulse for the hell of it at a gun show. Shot it quite a bit and shot a deer with it. Decided they were decent guns after all.
Bought an M39. '21 Izhvesk, B Barrel. Liked the smooth 2 stage trigger and loved the 2 MOA accuracy.
Then I bought 2 M28s. Neither were as accurate as my 39. Ended up selling them for a small profit.
Still have the 39 and the 44 and have no intention of getting rid of either one.
Then I bought an M44 on impulse for the hell of it at a gun show. Shot it quite a bit and shot a deer with it. Decided they were decent guns after all.
Bought an M39. '21 Izhvesk, B Barrel. Liked the smooth 2 stage trigger and loved the 2 MOA accuracy.
Then I bought 2 M28s. Neither were as accurate as my 39. Ended up selling them for a small profit.
Still have the 39 and the 44 and have no intention of getting rid of either one.
tkendrick
Member
Ash & Funderb
That's true. I'm not denying any of that. I can hit an 18" gong at 350 yds with my buds Remington Mosin and surplus ammo, every shot, every time. By your book, that means I have to like the gun?
I'm not arguing with you. I made a simple statement. I don't like them.
You immediately attacked me in a most offensive manner. You would think I had made an obscene comment about your mother.
Since you asked. I think the ergonomics are atrocious, the bolt handles are a joke, and I personally don't like a magazine hanging out the belly of any rifle. I don't much care for SMLE's for that same reason.
Vaarok- That is a gorgeous piece of wood on that rifle.
That's true. I'm not denying any of that. I can hit an 18" gong at 350 yds with my buds Remington Mosin and surplus ammo, every shot, every time. By your book, that means I have to like the gun?
I'm not arguing with you. I made a simple statement. I don't like them.
You immediately attacked me in a most offensive manner. You would think I had made an obscene comment about your mother.
Since you asked. I think the ergonomics are atrocious, the bolt handles are a joke, and I personally don't like a magazine hanging out the belly of any rifle. I don't much care for SMLE's for that same reason.
Vaarok- That is a gorgeous piece of wood on that rifle.
Funderb
Member
there you go! words assembled into reasonable arguments of why you don't like them! excellent.
and about that, I was referring to you referencing my remark about all mosins being poor, and that being me jumping to conclusions, when it was very obviously a remark that sarcastically referenced your own.
so the point is, you probably picked a poor point to imply that mosins are "POSs" could have done so in a more tactful manner.
and about that, I was referring to you referencing my remark about all mosins being poor, and that being me jumping to conclusions, when it was very obviously a remark that sarcastically referenced your own.
so the point is, you probably picked a poor point to imply that mosins are "POSs" could have done so in a more tactful manner.
Ash
Member
As I said, you don't have to like them. Plenty of folks don't. POS they are not, however, and your assumption in that direction was plain wrong.
And by the way, I initially defended your ignorant remarks. You are more than welcome to list reasons you don't like them. That is fine. They are, after all, merely steel and wood and their feelings won't be hurt.
However, design-wise, your assertations of their being POS's and being Yugo's compared with Mausers (remember, the Yugo did not hold up, was delicate, and could not perform, which is of course disproved by the Mosin's operation history) are plain wrong and without any kind of merit.
Ash
And by the way, I initially defended your ignorant remarks. You are more than welcome to list reasons you don't like them. That is fine. They are, after all, merely steel and wood and their feelings won't be hurt.
However, design-wise, your assertations of their being POS's and being Yugo's compared with Mausers (remember, the Yugo did not hold up, was delicate, and could not perform, which is of course disproved by the Mosin's operation history) are plain wrong and without any kind of merit.
Ash
tkendrick
Member
Uh!?!?!?
I hurt your rifles feelings?
I guarantee I have probably more than one gun in my safe that you would call a POS. It wouldn't bother me a bit to have you tell me so.
I guess my skins a little thicker than most.
Dr. Tad Hussein Winslow
member
- Joined
- Nov 14, 2007
- Messages
- 13,146
Vaarok, that "leopard" Mosin ROCKS!! 
Shade00
Member
Argh, I was supposed to be content with the M91/30 I bought yesterday. Now I'm thinking about picking up a couple of the cheaper M44s online...
MaterDei
Member
I have two, a 91/30 and an M44. I just got my C&R on Thursday so I'll be adding more soon. I really enjoy the history, the variety, and the BOOM.
Tkendrik
You are entitled to your opinion of course, if you do not like them more power to you, nobody forces you to buy one...more Mosins for the true lovers!!
You called the Mosin POS and I still accept that as an opinion because is an expression that doesn't really qualify anything specific.
But then you made a specific claim saying "poor design" without going into details.
If you really think that Mosins are poorly designed we have 3 options here
1) You are a troll
2) Simply you do not know much about firearms design or you have an elementary knowledge about them at best (unfortunately common with several gun lovers)
3) Both
Considering that you dismissed the Enfield SMLE too, one of the greatest bolt action rifles ever engineered by the way, I'm inclined to think is option 2.
You are entitled to your opinion of course, if you do not like them more power to you, nobody forces you to buy one...more Mosins for the true lovers!!
You called the Mosin POS and I still accept that as an opinion because is an expression that doesn't really qualify anything specific.
But then you made a specific claim saying "poor design" without going into details.
If you really think that Mosins are poorly designed we have 3 options here
1) You are a troll
2) Simply you do not know much about firearms design or you have an elementary knowledge about them at best (unfortunately common with several gun lovers)
3) Both
Considering that you dismissed the Enfield SMLE too, one of the greatest bolt action rifles ever engineered by the way, I'm inclined to think is option 2.
Last edited:
Beetle Bailey
Member
Yes, I like them. I have five:
Finnish M28 "SY" Civil Guards (about $140)
Finnish M39 VKT (about $220)
Finnish M39 "B" Barrel (about $250)
Russian M91/30 ex-PU sniper (about $140)
Russian M91/30 replica PU sniper (about $450)
There are a few more models I am interested in, but I have to buy a new safe before I can buy any more long guns. So for now, I'm not buying any more.
I've only gone hunting once, and I used a Sako Finnbear. Took along an Enfield No. 4 as a backup rifle but didn't need it. Next time I go, the M91/30 replica sniper will probably be the backup rifle. But, hopefully I won't need it.
BTW, I never get tired of seeing Vaarok's M39. The two I have are good lookers that attract attention at the range, but as much as I love them, they don't hold a candle to that specimen. It's great to know that rifle is in the hands of someone who appreciates it.
Finnish M28 "SY" Civil Guards (about $140)
Finnish M39 VKT (about $220)
Finnish M39 "B" Barrel (about $250)
Russian M91/30 ex-PU sniper (about $140)
Russian M91/30 replica PU sniper (about $450)
There are a few more models I am interested in, but I have to buy a new safe before I can buy any more long guns. So for now, I'm not buying any more.
I've only gone hunting once, and I used a Sako Finnbear. Took along an Enfield No. 4 as a backup rifle but didn't need it. Next time I go, the M91/30 replica sniper will probably be the backup rifle. But, hopefully I won't need it.
BTW, I never get tired of seeing Vaarok's M39. The two I have are good lookers that attract attention at the range, but as much as I love them, they don't hold a candle to that specimen. It's great to know that rifle is in the hands of someone who appreciates it.
tkendrick
Member
1. I am not a troll. I have never lived under a bridge in my life.
2. Your right, I don't lnow anything about gun design. I've only been shooting, rebuilding, sporterizing and unsporterizing (restoring) milsurps for about forty years. Obviously I don't have the knowledge or the right to have an opinion.
The OPs original post was:
Mosins, Do You Like Them?
My answer is no. I don't like them. I don't like them a lot.
I don't like raw carrots either.
OOOPS! Shouldn't have said that. Now I'm going to accused of having no knowledge of the dietary superiority raw carrots. Obviously I don't have enough knowledge about carrot design to justify having an opinion.
And pleeeease...don't ask me how I feel about Bud Light.
GarandOwner
Member
Tkendrick, Im curious to your opinion....how is the Mosin a crappy design? Obviously there will be people out there who dont like certain guns, but that doesnt necessarily mean that it is a poor design
Again, you do not like them is perfectly legit..
If you say poor design is entirely another matter...it is simply not true and frankly technical ignorance.
The fact that for 40 years you have sporterized, un-sporterized, rebuilt, etc.. firarms doesn't really mean having an engineering knowledge or appreciation.....you are very good with your hands...it doesn't really imply anything else.
I know extremely gifted car mechanics that barely know the relationship between combustion chamber design and efficiency of an engine at high rev or the physics reason why long stroke engines have advantages in low end torque.
I explained to my gunsmith, a very experienced man "old school" from the military capable of quite exquisite work of craftmanship, all the thermodynamics and mechanics of fluids involved from when the primer ignite the charge to the moment when the bullet leaves the muzzle, why some cartridges are more efficient than others, the mathematics of twist rate, etc...
So what's your point??
I do not like Walther P38s at all...my opinion...do I say they have a poor design?? No because they are extremely well engineered pistols.
Opinion is one thing, arbitrary statements is another.
Do you want to know about a real poorly designed battle rifle?? The Ross Rifle
The AR-15/M-16 doesn't win first prizes either, at least in the first versions...
I could mention at least 10 technical reasons why the Mosin Nagant is extremely well designed and performed above and beyond its intended purpose...but I wil not bother....
Bazooka Joe71
Member
Yep, quite a bit.
What is wrong with you? Carrots are delicious!
- Status
