I have been thinking a lot about putting a red dot or ghost ring sights on my 590. What does everyone think is the better choice? If i get a red dot, it would be something cheapish, and if i get ghost rings, hopefully it would be the ones from mossberg. Also it says for the ghost ring sights that gun smithing is required, does anyone know how much this would cost? thanks!
Mossberg Ghost Ring sight vs Red dot
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I had the front sight on my 500 soldered on by a gunsmith for $40. It does require refinishing the barrel, which I did myself with Duracoat.
It's a much better solution for HD than anything that needs a switch or batteries. Bad enough that the flashlight has to have them. KISS.
It's a much better solution for HD than anything that needs a switch or batteries. Bad enough that the flashlight has to have them. KISS.
I don't think a RDS is required for HD. I think when you get into the broader use of a fighting shotgun it starts to shine more. We should be frank in out discussion of them though. Something like an aimpoint micro doesn't require turning it on and off and the battery life is measured in years. They are very rugged and certainly up to use on a defensive weapon. Tirjicon makes sights that have no batteries if the thought of preventively changing it out every other year seems like to much of a hassel to ensure a functioning sight.
For HD I would say that unless the money is no issue most folks would be better off spending the price of a T1 or trijicon on a shotgun class. Depending on what HD entails for someone a RDS might not offer much anyways. I have shotguns with beads, RDS, and ghost rings. Each is set up the way it is because of the way I use the particular gun. Each is viable for HD.
For HD I would say that unless the money is no issue most folks would be better off spending the price of a T1 or trijicon on a shotgun class. Depending on what HD entails for someone a RDS might not offer much anyways. I have shotguns with beads, RDS, and ghost rings. Each is set up the way it is because of the way I use the particular gun. Each is viable for HD.
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Bead, swaps a little precision for speed. Nothing faster. Pretty durable.
Gr/Peep sights, more precise but slightly slower. Durable.
RDS. fairly fast, but complicated and needs batteries.
Whatever you get, practice,practice.practice.....
Gr/Peep sights, more precise but slightly slower. Durable.
RDS. fairly fast, but complicated and needs batteries.
Whatever you get, practice,practice.practice.....
catnphx
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I'm used to beads on past SG's but my 590A1 has GRS and I'm very pleased with them ... they are great!!
Why do you believe it is "complicated"?
As to needs batteries:
http://www.trijicon.com/na_en/products/product3.php?pid=RM08
Although given that there are a number of sights that have a constant on battery life measured in years, do you really believe that batteries are much of an issue?
As to speed for defensive shooting, one sees a lot of RDS on open class guns. Most of those guys are pretty concerned with speed. See e.g. Jerry Miculek's M2 and his new 930 pictured below.
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I'm kinda confused as well about the "complicated" part of using a MRDS. You put your cheek on the stock and voila, there's a red dot in front of you. Sighting in may be a bit complicated since there's fiddly little screws to turn, but anyone dextrous enough to use anything more complicated than a single-shot should be able to manage without taking any night school courses.
My 930SPX wears a MRDS on its rail, with the red dot sitting just barely above the fiber-optic. As the red dot isn't quite as bright as the fiber, it gets washed out in the daytime, but in darkness when the fiber is useless the red dot is quite visible.
Sure, it needs batteries ... about every five years. I'm pretty sure at some time in the interim I'll have changed batteries and resighted as necessary. If I forget? Meh, that's what the irons are for.
My 930SPX wears a MRDS on its rail, with the red dot sitting just barely above the fiber-optic. As the red dot isn't quite as bright as the fiber, it gets washed out in the daytime, but in darkness when the fiber is useless the red dot is quite visible.
Sure, it needs batteries ... about every five years. I'm pretty sure at some time in the interim I'll have changed batteries and resighted as necessary. If I forget? Meh, that's what the irons are for.
I would say that sighting in a RDS is much easier and less complicated than figuring out hold offs on a bead that cannot be adjusted and then remembering them in the heat of the moment. Again this is more of an issue as distances increase and/or if one will be using slugs, but still.
ironhead7544
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For a shotgun, I like my M500 with the GRS. A red dot would also work OK but get a quality one. I have had red dots fail at a high rate. If you look at the warranty, it will be about 1 year for the cheap one. Thats about all they last.
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Simmons, BSA and one other. Mostly used on 22lr pistols and rifles. Some on high power rifles and some on shotguns. I like to buy stuff on sale and have bought these 3 or 4 at a time. When they go bad you lose the zero and the dot doesnt adjust. These are low end but some people think thats OK for a short range shotgun. For a gun I might use for serious purposes I would go for a high quality red dot, JMHO.
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Well there's your problem. Buy an Aimpoint and you won't have those problems.
If the choice is between anything other than an Aimpoint and ghost rings, go with the ghost rings. And lots of practice ammo.
If the choice is between anything other than an Aimpoint and ghost rings, go with the ghost rings. And lots of practice ammo.
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