Would you believe.....Kel Tec?
Link to cbs news article:
http://www.cbsnews.com/pictures/most-popular-guns-in-america/
Link to cbs news article:
http://www.cbsnews.com/pictures/most-popular-guns-in-america/
Most popular semi auto rifles and pistols
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rskent
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No I would not believe it.
Most popular semi-auto handgun is the PMR-30. Yeah right... A $600 Kel-Tec .22 Mag is the best selling handgun i don't believe that.
It sounds like an interesting gun, but i can't ever even remember seeing one for sale. But then again I guess I typically wouldn't stop and look at a Kel-Tec display.
It sounds like an interesting gun, but i can't ever even remember seeing one for sale. But then again I guess I typically wouldn't stop and look at a Kel-Tec display.
Ed Ames
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The reason you have never seen one is because they sell as soon as they are offered. Dealers can't keep them in counters. Which is a measure of popularity.
I could believe that the pmr30 is the most sought-after handgun in the USA, in the sense that I bet most online retailers have hundreds of people lined up waiting for a chance to buy one.
They won't be the most popular in the sense of outnumbering Ruger Mk1/2/3s that have 60 years of head start, but if you were a dealer and had a choice of 100 Glock 17s or 100 PMR30s to resell you'd be an idiot not to take the KelTecs - they will sell quicker and for more profit than the Glocks.
gbran
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I've herd/seen very good reviews of their small handguns. My dad has their PLR16. He has had a lot of issues with it.
barnbwt
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All it means is Gunbroker sold a bunch of Kel Tecs...which makes sense seeing as their distributors seem to sell most of them online (why you don't see them in stores, new) and the prices for both KTs and everything else (which actually do show up in storefronts) are typically on the high side, as far as new guns.
A smarter reporter would have examined why Ruger/S&W have earnings an order of magnitude higher than KT despite somehow selling fewer guns (even with more models in their lineup).
Are we really supposed to believe more 22mag pistols are being sold than 22LR pistols?
TCB
A smarter reporter would have examined why Ruger/S&W have earnings an order of magnitude higher than KT despite somehow selling fewer guns (even with more models in their lineup).
Are we really supposed to believe more 22mag pistols are being sold than 22LR pistols?
TCB
The claim that the Kel Tec 22 magnum was the "most popular" pistol started with a blog post on Motley Fool. The claim was based on a nonsense set of assumptions. The web site retracted the claim almost immediately. Motley Fool runs lots of gun articles as click bait. When you read them it is obvious they know nothing about guns.
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Linking each and every firearm to which shooter used something "similar" was enough to get me to stop by the fifth slide. CBS is far from a trustworthy and reliable source when it comes to firearms. They are almost as bad as CNN.
9mm handguns are popular. But no one will tell you about police officers using 9mm or the thousands that use so defensively each year. Saying "Hey 9mm is what so and so shooter used" is anti-gun group think at its best.
9mm handguns are popular. But no one will tell you about police officers using 9mm or the thousands that use so defensively each year. Saying "Hey 9mm is what so and so shooter used" is anti-gun group think at its best.
Considering the retail street price of Glocks vs Keltecs and how similar the actual costs are, no, I don't think there is more profit selling Keltecs. You can get Glocks on the Blue label discount at Keltec pricing - but it's quietly restricted.
On the other hand, show me a cop carrying a Keltec.
And then, show me a perp carrying a Keltec.
Perps carry guns of the same type as cops because they think it's needed to get equal respect. Are perps any different in gun selection that the public? Not really. They are part of the public. People buy guns based on Brand, gravitas, reputation - all social features. As the postings here show - a 9mm Keltec isn't given much respect. A 9mm Glock is.
Saying Keltec is more popular would be like saying most guys like to drive Camry's. Go look in traffic - for every guy driving a Camry, two guys are driving 3/4 ton Bro Trucks.
Our market is based on selling instant credibility by possessing tokens of social rank. The vast majority of men are NOT buying Keltecs for that, and the gun market is largely men. It's very apparent that whoever wrote the article did so with no connection to an understanding of guns and buyers. Pretty Pink guns and diminuitive Brands are not what is popular - bore and capacity are. There is a very strong connection to self image.
On the other hand, show me a cop carrying a Keltec.
And then, show me a perp carrying a Keltec.
Perps carry guns of the same type as cops because they think it's needed to get equal respect. Are perps any different in gun selection that the public? Not really. They are part of the public. People buy guns based on Brand, gravitas, reputation - all social features. As the postings here show - a 9mm Keltec isn't given much respect. A 9mm Glock is.
Saying Keltec is more popular would be like saying most guys like to drive Camry's. Go look in traffic - for every guy driving a Camry, two guys are driving 3/4 ton Bro Trucks.
Our market is based on selling instant credibility by possessing tokens of social rank. The vast majority of men are NOT buying Keltecs for that, and the gun market is largely men. It's very apparent that whoever wrote the article did so with no connection to an understanding of guns and buyers. Pretty Pink guns and diminuitive Brands are not what is popular - bore and capacity are. There is a very strong connection to self image.
The people who wrote the piece obviously do not understand what Gunbroker postings reflect so they've assumed popularity or sales when what they're looking at is local scarcity driving postings on GB. There are a lot of guns not typical of sales being sold on GB, but the fools think that is reflective of sales across the country of all guns.
I find it interesting that you think people select firearms based on a social aspect and not based on what firearms are better, and better suited to the intended use
For semi auto rifles it about has to be the AR15 type rifle
Ed Ames
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Since the KT in question is the PMR30, with an MSRP of ~400 and a typical retail price of about $600...what are you talking about?
Show me a cop carrying any rimfire handgun. If you mean more broadly, I bet you'll find quite a few p3ats as BUGs.
Who was that guy in Florida that gun owners don't like talking about any more? Oh, yeah, George Zimmerman. He had a KT 9mm.
LOL at "perp" to refer to non-cops by the way. Kudos.
Oh please. First, they weren't talking about a 9mm. Second, the fact that Taurus is one of the top 10 gun brands in the world shows you are simply wrong about why people buy guns. Oh, and so is KelTec. Taurus is #7, KT is #9.
No, it is actually like saying that Tesla is the most popular. There aren't as many on the road, they are harder to find at dealers, but there are waiting lists and people lined up to buy them because demand is greater than production. And that unfulfilled demand is a measure of popularity, just a bad measure.
Umm...you might want to look up the psych term "projection".
Who thinks "gun" when you say "token of social rank"? Nobody. That's what bumper stickers are for.
AZ Desertrat
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Sorry but I don't know of ANYBODY that has a KelTec product that is happy with it. That includes coworkers, friends that have one or two that I have also shot....2 cents.
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The gun is an over / under...nothing like knowing absolutely NOTHING about the subject you're reporting on...
The gun is an over / under...nothing like knowing absolutely NOTHING about the subject you're reporting on...
ColoradoShooter77
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Good luck finding ammo for that PMR-30, if you do, it will cost as much as 40 S&W.....$15/50 rounds.
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Mine is a late 60's Remington 742 carbine ( 18 inch barrel ) in .308 Win.I bought it used from a gun shop for 150 bucks in about 1972. The original owner traded it in claiming it wasn't very accurate, and it isn't HAHA. It'll only shoot about 2 1/2 inches consistently at 100 yards.I've killed 55-60 whitetails in the heavy Wisconsin woods with it over the years. I have all the common deer calibers ,30-30,.270.bolt .308 bolt and a pump 30-06,but more times than not I'll carry the old 742. hdbiker
Mine is a late 60's Remington 742 carbine ( 18 inch barrel ) in .308 Win.I bought it used from a gun shop for 150 bucks in about 1972. The original owner traded it in claiming it wasn't very accurate, and it isn't HAHA. It'll only shoot about 2 1/2 inches consistently at 100 yards.I've killed 55-60 whitetails in the heavy Wisconsin woods with it over the years. I have all the common deer calibers ,30-30,.270.bolt .308 bolt and a pump 30-06,but more times than not I'll carry the old 742. hdbiker
Carl N. Brown
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That article of gun popularity based on Gun Broker listings is bad research.
Not as bad though as that five deadliest firearms article that listed: pistols, revolvers, shotguns, rifles, and derringers. That one was lazy.
The lesson I take away is: Don't expect good gun research from mainstream media.
Not as bad though as that five deadliest firearms article that listed: pistols, revolvers, shotguns, rifles, and derringers. That one was lazy.
The lesson I take away is: Don't expect good gun research from mainstream media.
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