Most Potent .30-30 Load--170 Nosler Partition?

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I've been trying out an array of factory and handloaded .30-30 and from what I've read and seen, the most potent of the bunch are the 170 grain Federals loaded with Nosler Partitions. These seem to be the choice for hogs and black bear. Are there any with more penetration and punch?
 
check the hornady Leverevolutions. carry a bunch more energy and velocity downrange. Remember , according to Roy Wetherby, speed kills.
 
Most Potent .30-30 Load--170 Nosler Partition?

I've been trying out an array of factory and handloaded .30-30 and from what I've read and seen, the most potent of the bunch are the 170 grain Federals loaded with Nosler Partitions. These seem to be the choice for hogs and black bear. Are there any with more penetration and punch?
You just plain don't need Nosler Partitions for boar and black bear. For that I use 170 grain Remington Core-Lokt or 170 grain Winchester Power Points. They go down like they're struck by lighting, and they both make two holes every time. In my opinion, at .30-30 velocities, Nosler Partitions will reduce the effectiveness of the round because it will slow down expansion too much, and unless you are real close, it might not expand at all. No need for premium bullets at this velocity level.

Like the poster above said, if your shots are likely to be farther than 200 yards, check out Hornady's Lever Evolution 160 grain loads. They retain energy at greater distances because of the shape of the bullets they use.
 
These are the actual .30-30 Partitions, though. With the round nose, sold under the Federal Vital-Shock brand. Are you saying the special .30-30 partitions will fail to expand at 2,000 to 2,200 fps, or that a borrowed .30'06 spire point partition would fail to expand? The "Comments from the Lab" blurb in my loadbook says "It will expand well at .30-30 velocities out to 200 yards." But if it's failing in the field it would be nice to know.
 
Partitions are known to normally "blow" the foreward nose portion off on impact with the jacket peeling back tight against the rear shank. The rear 2/3 or so keeps traveling almost as a solid. Nosler designs the bullet to open very easily with a very thin jacket in the front section. I wouldn`t worry about expansion at normal ranges with them. They may not give a large exit hole though, because of their design. This causes some to question if they really do expand well. The proof though is in the jellied in`ards of the animal.

IMO premium bullets aren`t needed in std cartridges with sub 3000 fps muzzle velocities on most game, but they will almost always perform as designed with no suprises if you choose to use them.
 
My targets will be rather large Chugach black bear and possibly moose. I'm trying to avoid the usual .30-30's that are designed to expand and penetrate only to deer width. Sounds like the Partitions should be sufficient.
 
Some years back I read something said by a Federal tech to the effect that a partition bullet is not really necessary at .30-30 velocities, but that it did offer something for those wanting a premium bullet for their lever guns. That said, it'd be the best factory bullet option for heavier game.
 
My targets will be rather large Chugach black bear and possibly moose. I'm trying to avoid the usual .30-30's that are designed to expand and penetrate only to deer width. Sounds like the Partitions should be sufficient.
I just don't like the partition, because, as someone up there said, the "expanding" part will just blow up, leaving you with what amounts to a non-expanding .30 caliber solid, which is not particularly destructive. If you want a controlled expansion 170 grain bullet for a .30-30, there's been two out there for years that offer a real improvement over the Winchester Power Point in controlled expansion for tougher and thicker big game animals. They are the Remington Core-Lokt and Winchester Silvertip. These bullets are built a little tougher, as they are intended for larger game animals, i.e., the expansion is slowed down so as to increase penetration. They work just as designed. For that reason, I would not recommend them for hunting standard to smaller sized deer at distances beyond 30 yards, as they will be too likely to pass right on through without having time enough in flesh to expand all the way, but on larger tougher animals, they will expand more reliably while in the vitals and make large exit holes.

Incidentally, at close range, the Core-Lokt and Silvertip are great for boar, bear and standard sized deer, because at higher velocity (which is what you have at very close range) they will not blow up like a Power Point can, i.e., you are assured two holes and more weight retention than you'd get with Power Points at very close ranges.

By the way, I misunderstood your starting post. I thought you were hunting hogs and black bear, and I imagined you were doing so either with dogs or over bait, so I assumed it would be at close range, which was why I recommended the Core-Lokt. Just so happens that Core-Lokt 170s would be a good choice for moose too, if you were determined to use a .30-30 on an animal that big, as they are designed for controlled expansion at typical hunting ranges for the .30-30.
 
Fusion had the best velocity and energy.

NOW, Hornady LeverRevolution has the best energy and velocity down range.

For shots under 150 yards, I wouldn't worry much about the various brands. Just try to get the right expansion for whatever you are hunting.
For me, I'm going with Fusion and Hornady for deer and even elk. (My elk comments usually spark conversation)
 
The most potent 30-30 load I have used is the ones I make. I use the Speer 170 gr FP over 35 grains of IMR4320. Velocity out of my Savage 170 (22 inch barrel) is just under 2300fps. Accuracy in that rifle, and my Marlin lever gun is exellent, with groups at 50 yards being inside a Quarter, and hovering around an inch at 100 yards. Results on hogs is devastating, and it works well on deer as well.
 
Don't want to hijack Cosmoline's thread......but as long as we are on the subject of 30-30 ammo.....does anyone have any experience with the 150gr. PMC 30-30 Starfire round.....a solid copper bullet with a Starfire hollow point cavity in the nose.

-Regards
 
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It's supposed to be very similar to the XFN 150 grain. It has a squatter, wider HP which I blieve is to give better expansion than the XFN, which has a repuation for overpentration on deer-size game. I've heard it mentioned along with the XFN and the Nosler 170 RN as one of the best .30-30 bullets.
 
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