shotgunsrfun
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hea0FXE0qlI&feature=related
Look how high he is up!
I would be scared to walk in woods like that.
Look how high he is up!
I would be scared to walk in woods like that.
Mountain Lion in tree
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wankerjake
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Looks like the 30-30 is enough gun after all 
shotgunsrfun
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I saw a video of a bear to with 30-30 take down 1 shot.
That's one the worst Lion Hunting video I've ever seen. Why didn't they film the dogs; or, the lion hitting the ground, etc. I would like to have seen what happened when that lion hit the ground. Shooting a lion out of the tree like that isn't a real good idea. It's better to shoot them with a .22 mag and let them bleed out in the tree. It's less likely to kill the dogs then.
WatongaJim
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Yep. We don't need no stinkin magnum cartridges.
Yes, it's unbelievable how some people consider hundgun rounds such as .40 S&W or a 45 ACP adequate against humans target then belittle the 30 WCF.
Not many realize how immensely powerful centerfire rifle cartridges are....a 170 gr. flat nose .30 cal slug at short distances is serious stopping power.
Nothing says "I love you" like a 30-30 in the head...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3rNAIvEaOwo&feature=related
Not many realize how immensely powerful centerfire rifle cartridges are....a 170 gr. flat nose .30 cal slug at short distances is serious stopping power.
Nothing says "I love you" like a 30-30 in the head...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3rNAIvEaOwo&feature=related
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Great sport?
NO, I’m not an animal rights activist, although you had better not mistreat an animal, wild or domestic, around me. You want to hunt, very well, have at it. I have no objections as long as you’re safe and make humane kills.
EDIT: The hunting I speak of here is hunting to put meat on the table and if you kill it you eat it.
Yes, I have cougars which occasionally wander my woods.
I carry a .357 when I walk in my woods just in case this time happens to be that occasion and just in case the cougar doesn’t continue on through but decides to investigate me or the g-kids (who also carry when they come visit and go into the woods with me).
However, I saw no information accompanying those videos which indicated the cougars had become a problem to humans. Of course I also did not see information that they had not.
The video of the bow hunter causes me to believe that hunt was just for the sport of killing a cougar. You don’t go out to kill a problem cougar with a bow, you take a rifle, a big rifle.
You might think the videos were great. With no information that these animals were a problem, I was disgusted.
NO, I’m not an animal rights activist, although you had better not mistreat an animal, wild or domestic, around me. You want to hunt, very well, have at it. I have no objections as long as you’re safe and make humane kills.
EDIT: The hunting I speak of here is hunting to put meat on the table and if you kill it you eat it.
Yes, I have cougars which occasionally wander my woods.
I carry a .357 when I walk in my woods just in case this time happens to be that occasion and just in case the cougar doesn’t continue on through but decides to investigate me or the g-kids (who also carry when they come visit and go into the woods with me).
However, I saw no information accompanying those videos which indicated the cougars had become a problem to humans. Of course I also did not see information that they had not.
The video of the bow hunter causes me to believe that hunt was just for the sport of killing a cougar. You don’t go out to kill a problem cougar with a bow, you take a rifle, a big rifle.
You might think the videos were great. With no information that these animals were a problem, I was disgusted.
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usmc1371
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Clay, your right no one hunts problem cats with a bow. The problem is in my neck of the woods we just have to many cats and the bigger problem is we can't hunt them with dogs. Now instead of hunters paying good money to come to Oregon to hunt cats we the tax payer fork over money so a state "hunter" can use his "state" dogs to keep the population in check.
I have hunted behind dogs and I will tell you that its no walk in the park, cats often run for miles and I haven't seen one run down hill yet. Many treed cats simply wait out the dogs and climb down and take off because the hunter is so out of shape he just can't make it to the tree befor dark.
In many parts of the northwest if you ask a rancher he will tell you any cougar is a problem cougar.
I have hunted behind dogs and I will tell you that its no walk in the park, cats often run for miles and I haven't seen one run down hill yet. Many treed cats simply wait out the dogs and climb down and take off because the hunter is so out of shape he just can't make it to the tree befor dark.
In many parts of the northwest if you ask a rancher he will tell you any cougar is a problem cougar.
Double Naught Spy
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He wasn't that high. If the tree had been bigger, he might have gone a lot higher.
It really wasn't a hunting video, but a shooting video. I doubt it was made as a hunting video, but done on the spur of the moment to document the animal, not the hunt.
How do you know the cat will bleed out in the tree? Hit with a .22 mag, the cat very well may have jumped just as he did with the 30-30. If you are suggesting that the .22 mag would not be quickly fatal, then the cat may have gone to the ground and hurt one or more dogs before succombing.
CoRoMo
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Not much of a video there. A long wait while the dogs bark and then they shoot the beast.
It appears like they set the camera on something because after he shoots, it looks like he grabs the camera and tries to find the cat, but the description/info that the guy posted says it ran off for another 600 yards after jumping out of the tree.
...needlessly suffer?
It appears like they set the camera on something because after he shoots, it looks like he grabs the camera and tries to find the cat, but the description/info that the guy posted says it ran off for another 600 yards after jumping out of the tree.
...needlessly suffer?
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i've never shot anything to let it bleed out slowly in my life.
i've also very rarely postured abut my hunting ethics being superior to someone elses unless i had enough facts to support that assertion
i've also very rarely postured abut my hunting ethics being superior to someone elses unless i had enough facts to support that assertion
WardenWolf
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Oddly enough, I was hunting javelina (small pig-like animals) last February, and my cousin, who's a skilled hunter, was guiding me. He told me NOT to shoot it in the head for some reason. I KNOW I could have hit it, but he told me not to do it. In hindsight, I probably should have. It would have been a far more guaranteed bang-flop than going for a heart / lung shot. I was using .223 68-grain hollowpoints at 100 yards. I found out later that the hollowpoints failed to expand, and just went clean through; a skull shot would have fixed that problem. I got my piggy, but I had to chase it a lot farther.
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MinnMooney
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The video was OK but the videographer needs some serious practice and instruction on how to follow (or at least attempt to follow) the action. This looks like some of my worst stuff way back in '66 when I first bought a Super 8 movie camera. We look back on those first several reels and laugh our butts off.
What do they do with the Mt Lion after, eat it? I never seen Mt Lion on any menu before.
I guess it's to mount to his monster truck to give bragging rights. "yeah man, check out my video while I get you a PBR."
I just hope he did it legally and with good reason.
I guess it's to mount to his monster truck to give bragging rights. "yeah man, check out my video while I get you a PBR."
I just hope he did it legally and with good reason.
shotgunsrfun
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Yeah I watch some videos and I do not think they are doing it right.. It is a shame people are like this. But in this video he had hunting dogs so I think he is legit. In some of the others I do not think they are...
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Re hunting mountain lions. They are a nuisance animal in many places. In California (at least when I was still living there) it was not at all unusual for a mountain lion to kill a jogger or pedestrian. There were too many cats there yet they are a protected species. You can't hunt them. And everytime the people in the valley/northern kal would get the issue on a referendum, the idiots in LA and San Fran would vote it down. They need to get some of those monsters into Beverly Hills and Union Square for folks to see what they really are.
They absolutely must be hunted otherwise will completely overwhelm the local landscape. And yes, many people like the taste of cougar.
Concerning the video. The shooter also did the filming, apparantly. He couldn't follow the action with the camera because the camera was sitting on the ground, while he shot. Cut the guy some slack.
I'll also say I agree that to use a 22 magnum on such a large animal, for the purpose of causing it to "bleed out" is preposterous. It's cruel and unsportsmanlike. A true sportsman prides himself on a quick and painless kill. Anything else is not sporting.
Having said all that, I really don't like hunting videos posted on youtube. I'm a hunter but don't like seeing animals die. I can't explain it. But when hunters gratuitously post such vids on youtube where mindless tree huggers get all riled, it does our cause harm.
They absolutely must be hunted otherwise will completely overwhelm the local landscape. And yes, many people like the taste of cougar.
Concerning the video. The shooter also did the filming, apparantly. He couldn't follow the action with the camera because the camera was sitting on the ground, while he shot. Cut the guy some slack.
I'll also say I agree that to use a 22 magnum on such a large animal, for the purpose of causing it to "bleed out" is preposterous. It's cruel and unsportsmanlike. A true sportsman prides himself on a quick and painless kill. Anything else is not sporting.
Having said all that, I really don't like hunting videos posted on youtube. I'm a hunter but don't like seeing animals die. I can't explain it. But when hunters gratuitously post such vids on youtube where mindless tree huggers get all riled, it does our cause harm.
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18 attacks in 120 years? 10 deaths? hyperbole much?
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