MSAR taking pre-orders on 9mm AUG carbine (Glock mag MCS)

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Good news on yet another product we've been waiting on a bit. It appears that MSAR is putting the finishing touches on their MCS carbine, basically an AUG-format rifle in 9mm, .40, or .45 that takes Glock magazines. The main external difference is that it's downward-ejecting.

Rumour says the pre-order retail price is $850, which is not bad at all for such a new and exotic product from a company with a solid rep.

Not sure I'm getting one myself, since I just ordered an MSAR .223 AUG, but I'm glad to see this make it to market.

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(concept model from 2008 SHOT Show. Hopefully the final production model will be at the 2010 show)

P.S.: Technically it's Ratworx taking the actual pre-orders, as they're MSAR's go-to seller. But that technicality would make the title confusing, so explaining here.
 
At least they had the good sense to build it around existing and readily available magazines.

--wally.
 
Good news indeed; I want....

I will be getting the 9x19, if it's straight blowback. But if it's a retarded / delayed blowback, or a locked breech design, then I'm running with 10mm. Surely it's straight though, no? I doubt a more advanced design would go for that very reasonable price.
 
Can't wait, one of those is definitely on my list.

I have also heard that they are going to retail for around $1k or maybe less.
 
10mm would rock, but what about mags? Glock 10mm are limited to 15 rounds as far as I know. These are where the Glock 30 round 9mm and .40S&W mags make sense.

--wally.
 
TDI makes 30 rounds Glock mags for their KRISS, in .45 ACP. I don't know enough about Glocks to know if they are compatible, but they might be. And the MSAR thing will be available in .45 eventually, as I recall.

They are available through their website, if you are interested. The KRISS is nice, but at under $1,000 for the MSAR offering, and nearly twice that + depending on the model for the KRISS, the MSAR has some appeal.

Bullpups still make me nervous though. I spend a lot of time training for weak side shooting. Maybe I'll get over it for that one though. Looks pretty sweet
 
A bit off topic, but any word on the E4 in non-.223 caliber form (specifically the 7.62mm variant)?

:)
 
A bit off topic, but any word on the E4 in non-.223 caliber form (specifically the 7.62mm variant)?
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They've shipped out some early batches of 6.8mm AUGs, still only available in full rifle form, not as conversion barrel assemblies. And I believe they're hitting the waitlist first and not opening them for regular buying until they reach full production. That might be tied to their having moved the factory to Asheville this month.

I've heard they have the 5.45 totally wrung out and spec'ed, but not in production yet, and haven't heard definite word on the 7.62x39mm. I haven't heard even rumours of chamberings other than those listed above, as the MCS carbine and ArcAngel pistol are their other running foci. Their other long-term experiment is a proper AUG suppressor, which they claim is "definitely happening someday", but they're taking their time on it and won't produce until they nail it.

AUGs dump a lot of decibels through the piston system, so a regular end-of-barrel can helps on them but not as much as on, say, an AR. MSAR is trying to make an integral which will somehow reduce noise through all the various routes it leaks out.
 
Is it true that the E4 uses AR-15 magazines? How does it differ from the STG 556?

What calibers will the MCS be offered in?
 
Is it true that the E4 uses AR-15 magazines? How does it differ from the STG 556?

What calibers will the MCS be offered in?
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The E4 does indeed use AR-15 mags. The STG-556 is just about the same except for the mag issue, and a few minor things like placement of rails, type of stock stipling, etc. They also (as of Gen4) standardised the 556 and E4 receivers so that the stocks are swappable between them.

From what I've heard, the MCS will be in 9mm, .40, and .45. It is indeed blowback, and there's talk of "interchangeable bolt faces", though no definite word on how convertible it'll be and how soon. I've heard rumours of 10mm, but nothing definite. Fielding the 9mms appears to be the first priority.
 
Thanks for the update...I am still considering other options but unless something else comes along quick (like the Tavor) the 7.62mm MSAR looks like what I will end up with for a very short carbine.

:)
 
Thanks for the update...I am still considering other options but unless something else comes along quick (like the Tavor) the 7.62mm MSAR looks like what I will end up with for a very short carbine.
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It'll be a looong time, if ever, before the Tavor is available in 7.62. It's not even out in .223 yet, though supposedly they're aiming to unveil at the NRA Show in the middle of this year, so figure that if everything goes perfectly smooth they might hit stores by the end of 2010.

C/D is a pretty responsive company, but I imagine even they would take a long while to meet a chunk of the demand for basic Tavors before tinkering on conversions.

6.8 MSAR just not doing it for you? ;)
 
I've allways found the extra long mags for glock to usually be the exception;
they allways seem to be quite reliable, So i would have no probs getting
one in 9 or 40. And for me, even better because of the straight down ejection- finally someone out there thinking of the lefties.
 
if threading the barrel for a suppressor doesn't involve any unnecessary drama, the 45acp version of that might be a buy for me
 
It'll be a looong time, if ever, before the Tavor is available in 7.62.
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Lol, I didn't mean the Tavor in 7.62mm, just the MSAR in 7.62x39mm, I seriously doubt that the Tavor will ever be made available in non-.223 (other than perhaps .22LR).

6.8 MSAR just not doing it for you?
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The 6.8mm just isn't my bag because I don't really care for .277cal bullets and 7.62mm is fairly cheap. 5.45mm is good...but it is unavailable domestically and I don't want to be cut off from the supply (as unlikely as that may be).

:)
 
Is it likely that the MCS will be available in 10mm? If not, would converting a .40SW MCS to 10mm likely be possible?
 
Is it likely that the MCS will be available in 10mm? If not, would converting a .40SW MCS to 10mm likely be possible?
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Not sure where they're standing on that. They do have their own subforum at the Industry section of AR15.com, might want to ask them there and maybe get an answer right from the horse's mouth.

Amateur guessing: you'd think conversion could work by deepening the chamber a bit, but using the same boltface as the .40 S&W. However, don't 9mm/357/40 Glock mags have different external measurements than 10/45 Glocks? I could be totally off here, but I thought that aside from full/compact/sub there were also two distinct Glock frame sizes, so presumably you'd have to get a .45 MCS stock and mix it with a .40 receiver/bolt with a deepened chamber and heavier recoil spring.

That is to say, if it is relatively easy to do, it'd still be easiest if MSAR does it. If MSAR doesn't do it, that might be an indication that the operating system wouldn't be comfy with a 10mm blowback.
 
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