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MSN Article on Gun Control Poll.

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  1. xd45gaper

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    http://men.msn.com/articlepollgc.aspx?cp-documentid=4732850&gt1=9311

    article on MSN inwake of the recent VT shootings about how americans feel about Gun Control.

    My question is this. They say this is the WORST MASS MURDER in US HISTORY. but what was the world trade center? European History? have we had a flip in numbers where 3000+ is less than 30+??? Was the world trade center not a mass murder of 3000+ civilians or does it not count becuase a firearm was not used? what do you all think of this?

    Also what is with all the Assualt weapons bans or All out firearms bans people want? more gun control. I know as well as all of you know that the firearm was not at fault here. Society was at fault. The Cho said him self they had over 1000 times to stop what happend. They ignored his teachers saying he was over the top. So I guess when its your fault its easier to point your finger at someone else and take libertys away from them than to take the blame your self. :cuss:
     
  2. Mannix

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    Government aside(because when they do it it's called law), this is the worst US SHOOTING massacre. This tragedy aside the worst school shootings I know of happened in Erfurt, Germany in 2002, where 18 people(including the shooter) were killed, and an even more disgusting shooting in Dunblane, Scotland where a gunman killed 16 primary(grade) school kids plus their teacher in 1996, before turning the gun on himself.

    Both countries have very tight restrictions on firearms.
     
  3. DoubleTapDrew

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    I thought the article was pretty fairly balanced and what I took away from it is the majority of America now feels stricter gun control laws don't help (and a surprising large chunk of the pie feels more people carrying could have prevented it).
    Also, there's a poll on the left side of the article, hit it.
    At the time I voted:
    Which do you support?
    More gun control: 33%
    More gun rights: 51%
    Neither: 15%
     
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    No article appears at the link when I tried it but there is a poll on the left hand side.

    Which do you support
    more gun control : 33%
    More gun rights : 51%
    Neither : 15%
     
  5. ACP

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    Quite frankly, this horrible event in Virginia might be a turning point in the national gun control debate -- not that guns can be used for ill purposes, but that these students and professors were sitting ducks, and that a well-reasoned handgun policy on campus could perhaps have saved dozens and dozens of lives. Wishful thinking? I don't know, based on the tenor of these national polls...
     
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    No it's not

    From the archives...
     
  7. DoubleTapDrew

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    The article:

    There are two pie charts on the article.
    1: Would stricter gun control help prevent tragedies? No: 59% Yes: 36% Not sure: 5%
    2: Would more people carrying guns help prevent tragedies? No: 54% Yes: 38% Not sure: 8%
     
  8. mec

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    the opperant word is " Shooting" when they talk about massacres. I head about a dude in new york who got mad at his stupid old girlfriend and tossed a jumbo sized molotov into a bar. Killed 85 people.
     
  9. Henry Bowman

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    What I take from this poll is that 36% think more gun control is the answer and 38% believe that more guns is the solution. The other 26% are either unsure or believe that neither is the solution. Many of them are persuadable. This is not bad news at all. It's rather encouraging to me.
     
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    Agreed. I find the polls very encouraging. The "more guns is the solution" is astoundingly high given how few people hold CHLs, and the even lower amount of people that carry daily.
     
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    I agree that this is encouraging for supporters of the Second Amendment, overall. The 38 percent who support gun rights are going to be a lot more diligent and organized than the 36 percent who support more anti-2A laws. And we'll keep at it long after they've become distracted by something else.
     
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    So far, it seems that this incident has made the anti-gun-owner crowd noisier, but I am not seeing anything to suggest that it is swaying undecideds.

    It is too often overlooked that in politics, the outcome is most often determined by how the undecideds swing. Just about every controversial question has a hard core element on both ends of the spectrum who really care about the issue and are never going to change their minds. Abortion, death penalty, guns... whatever the issue, there's usually a smallish group of serious pro's and serious anti's. The majority of people don't care that much, don't study the issue, and don't think that much about it. And usually, the side that gets the middle to swing toward them winds up winning the battle.

    I'm not surprised to see the hard core anti's trying to make hay off this tragedy. That's what they do. If the undecideds go along with them, then we are in trouble. If the undecideds find their rhetoric unconvincing, then it will be nothing more than hot air.
     
  13. Bartholomew Roberts

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    I am a bit worried about that statistic. I hope it just suggests that as you get older and wiser you realize that most gun control is a sham; but if it means different generational views on guns then it is going to spell trouble for us in the future.
     
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    i agree that the article is pretty non biased, but! from what ive kept up on about the shootings at VT its a witch hunt for firearms. which is a very very sad situatuion. I figured it would be from the time i heard it, i told my friend that not only does the shooting sadden myself, that being a gun owner and pro second amendment/pro gun that even though the guy was a total nut job, and he probably couldnt own a gun legally(i was thinking to my self he was a total nut job and had to have had mental problems) that physcos like this give all us that own guns a very very bad name and make us look like mass murder'ers in there eyes and they are going to use this as an accuse (not blame them selves or society) to enforce more gun laws and make it harder for us law abiding citizens to own or purchase guns.

    im deeply saddened for what happend to the VT students and my condelnces go out to the familys of the students who died in this tragedy. but by imposing bans and a bunch of gun control laws/registration that this is going to stop this from happening again someone is pulling the wool over someones eyes...and the ones who are the most effected are the law abiding citizens.. not the people who ignore pyscos or there cry for help....
     
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    it is stunning to me

    to see a PUBLIC poll on these numbers to be this good.

    Doesn't anyone else remember the early nineties--i.e., when Sugarman had started up the assault weapon game, and EVERY discussion was framed by the antigun people? And, reported as such by the MSM?

    Doesn't anyone else sick Willy and the Democrats porking through the AWB, and we were lucky Bob Dole brokered the makings of a flawed law? Then the sleeping giant awakened.

    It was only five years ago--ten for some--that CCW laws were hotly contested, and the blood in the streets mantra held sway. FIVE years ago, MN State Legislators wore flak jackets for their symbolic last-ditch grandstand against MN's CCW law, finally passing after eight years.

    Two months ago, a hunter assails EBRs in a national blog, and the gun community acts in concert to put him in his place--and the MSM still hardly notices it? And now three days after the "deadliest shooting rampage in history", we have a poll--public, from a reputable pollster, FWIW--that shows as many of the general public sees no help from gun control as they do from more guns?

    We've achieved a stunning victory in public awareness AND gunny cohesiveness. Lobotomy Boy has it right. It's a never-ending fight for hearts and minds...but in 1994, I NEVER thought 2007 would look this way.

    Jim
     
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    Linked to these articles is another one where the author *calls* for an elimination of private transfers without background checks. So much for property rights and privacy.
    Big opportunity for black-marketeers, though.
     
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    Well I'm waitng for the comparision between our Tacoma Mall shootings here in Washington state and this event at VT to drawn .
     
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    I like the little red, white and blue handgun logo. Clearly an older Browning Hi-Power with the commander hammer and tiny sights. Nice.
     
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    The poll Zogby poll was just over 1000 people. There are 300 million Americans, how can a 1000 person poll even come close to accurate. Flipping a coin 100 times could yield close to a 50/50 number, but flipping it only 4 to 8 times times may yield something drastic like 75/25.
     
  20. AndyC

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    Thank goodness for the internet - we're no longer reliant on the MSM to feed us only the news and opinions they want us to see.

    Now we're making some of the news, we're reporting it, discussing it, and making our voices heard; we won't be shut up, silenced and ignored any longer. Reminds me of the music industry...

    Go, us ;)
     
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    thats what made me wonder and then they wrote this about a gun deaths in america "According to 2004 statistics, the most recent available, of all the deaths in the U.S. more than 11,500 were from gun-related homicides,"

    11,500..... thats it 11,500 we have 700,000+ alone in jacksonville, FL take the population of the US that is less that what 1% of the population that was killed by firearms?! LESS THAN 1%!!!!!!!!! we should have stricter vehicle laws rather than stricter gun control laws.!!!!!!!!!:banghead: :banghead:
     
  22. Unisaw

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    Mortech, I don't get your point. Please be a little more specific.
     
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    re poll size--

    Someone else with a (current) background in statistical analysis can provide the supporting data--but a 1000+ person poll, built on a good population sample, is a reasonable basis from which to get valid analyses about a larger population.

    FWIW, this is still 'statistical analysis'--but it is a valid analysis if done by a reputable pollster. Zogby is. I'm impressed they got this poll accomplished in little more than two days. Now we need to see more of the details, but it's apparent that they did not survey 'just Democrats located in the NE Atlantic states.'

    Jim
     
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    at the time of my vote
     
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    I'm not sure the results can be read as negative, primarily because we're missing a key demographic: 30 to 64 year-olds. To me, 30 or so is the "age of enlightenment." It's when people start thinking more about government and how it's affecting their family. This group is also likely to be internet-savvy, and not at the mercy of the mass media for their information.

    18 to 29 year-olds are internet-savvy, but for the most part are still using their hearts instead of their minds, all while being influenced by college professors and their peers.

    65 year-olds and higher, IMO, seem to get their news and opinion from the 6 o'clock news, the NY Times, Newsweek, and Time. Not exactly nuetral parties in the gun control debate. People this age, with some excepetions, are not internet addicts by in large. The fact that so many in this group seem to support gun rights is encouraging.

    I'm concerned, too, but I think the age groups in the article were cherry-picked.
     
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