Muzzle brake without blast?

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AR parts sites advertise a lot of different muzzle brakes. Some (generally pretty expensive for what they are) are supposed to do their job without blasting the shooter's or other nearby ears.

Is this true?

Which ones really do this, if any?

Are there any you would consider using without hearing protection, say, for HD or hunting? Not hundreds of shots, but one or a few?

Most muzzle brakes I've shot around cause shockwaves you can feel whenever the gun is fired. Even shotgun porting (which doesn't even work) makes for a lot of extra noise. Are there really designs that don't do this?
 
The old rule of thumb was Any brake that's effective is going to be loud. But there is one brake that seems to break no pun intended this rule. I was at the range a couple months back and a gentleman on the next bench was shooting a .338WM equipped with a VIAS brake, they are the ones with the ports arranges radially around the muzzle. I was impresses as this guy's rifle merely sounded like any other .338wm. Loud for shure but not nearly as loud as my old 300wby with a score-high brake.

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The gas that the brake redirects has to go somewhere. A good brake (like the AK74 design) will 'mostly' keep that gas away from the shooter.

What you want is a suppressor: the blast is greatly reduced and the recoil is lessened because the gas exiting the muzzle is slowed down. Downside of a suppressor is the $200 tax + the cost of the can.

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Anyone that can tell us more about the muzzle brake/compensator on the AN-94 that supposedly runs the gas out at a high enough velocity that the resultant sound is at too high a frequency to hear?


I don't know enough fluid dynamics to say if that sounds like it would work or not, but it's an interesting claim.
 
There was a 50BMG brake test done some years ago. They determined that in the absence of recoil measurement, you could almost just figure out which one was louder and it would be more effective.

The best AR-15 brakes used in 3Gun are all loud- louder than a bare muzzle. But there are certain designs which are louder than others. The MSTN QC comp is quieter than the JP BC comp, but they work almost the same.
 
Related question...

Does a regular A2 flash hider make the gun louder for the shooter or someone next to the shooter?

I hadn't thought about that before. Doesn't seem like it, but I haven't tested it or anything.

And is there a screw-on muzzle or thread cover or whatever you might call it, for the standard threaded AR barrel? I mean something to screw on the threads, but which is neither a flash suppressor nor a muzzlebrake.
 
The short version of this explanation is that a muzzlebrake operates by redirecting the escaping propellant at an angle away from the bore. For example, if you have a 150 grain bullet being pushed by 50 grains of propellant (propellant/fuel doesn't lose much weight from burning, its just a chemical reaction when you look at the process) and the muzzle velocity is 3000 ft/s then you are accelerating 200gr of mass to 3000 ft/s. The muzzlebrake strips the gases off and directs them equally away from the axis of the bore, so if in our example 25gr of the propellant blows out the LH ports perpendicular to the barrel axis and 25gr of the propellant blows out the RH ports perpendicular to the barrel axis then the actual rearward recoil (not the felt recoil) is for the 150gr projectile only since the propellant gases were diverted in opposite directions canceling each other out.

In simple terms (I'm not going to bore you all with the acceleration and inertia equations), if your recoil equation is f=m x v^2 where m is your total weight of projectile and propellant, then your reduction equation will be -f=m x v^2 where m is the weight of the propellant. If you direct the muzzle blast at any angle forward of a line perpendicular to the bore axis, then there is still a rearward thrust vector since the propellant still has a forward velocity. If you direct the muzzleblast rearward then you are imparting a net negative velocity to the propellant which increases the recoil reduction (that's why you see a lot of angled port brakes on 50BMG rifles).

However, with that muzzleblast comes noise so you're going to have shockwaves spreading out hemispherically from the point of origin, much like ripples in a pond that spread out from a rock being dropped in it. If there is no muzzlebrake the sound spreads away from the muzzle with the higher pressure impulses directed forward. That is why a gun is much louder if you are ahead of the firing line (its even louder if you're being shot at, but that is just because you're paying undivided attention to it :what:). As you start redirecting the blast and the high pressure impulses further rearward, the noise level for the shooter's position is going to increase.

Basically, redirection of propellant equals redirection of noise. On most of our muzzlebrake designs we use some additional tricks to reduce recoil without having to direct blast back at the user, but there is still a distinct blast vector that you don't want to be standing in the way of. Our brakes generally sound just a little louder from the shooter's position and gets progressively louder as you move forward or to the side from the shooter's position. We had our KA-1222 on a 10" M-16 yesterday at a big shoot here in AZ and although it sounded about the same if you were the guy shooting it, if you were further down the firing line it sounded like a FAL or other large caliber rifle firing. The KA-1830 reduces recoil even more and directs the blast along a line about 6" wide running perpendicular to the bore, if you are standing on that line when it goes off it will make you wet your pants :p
 
Related question...

Does a regular A2 flash hider make the gun louder for the shooter or someone next to the shooter?

I hadn't thought about that before. Doesn't seem like it, but I haven't tested it or anything.

And is there a screw-on muzzle or thread cover or whatever you might call it, for the standard threaded AR barrel? I mean something to screw on the threads, but which is neither a flash suppressor nor a muzzlebrake.

The A2 birdcage and similar hiders will make a gun a little louder since it is directing some of the muzzleblast upward so the shooter is exposed to a little stronger pressure impulse spreading away from the muzzle.

The item you are asking about is referred to as a thread protector. It keeps the threads from getting banged up when a suppressor or brake is not installed on a gun. We have a batch of hard brass thread protectors being produced this week, we use brass so they stay tight yet don't require any tools to remove, they also don't rust to the barrel if they're on there for a long time.

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Another thought:


Rocket nozzles use a convergent/divergent shape to maximize the velocity of the outgoing gas (specific impulse). Could a similar cross section in the cuts of a muzzle brake increase their efficiency as well?
 
Rocket nozzles use a convergent/divergent shape to maximize the velocity of the outgoing gas (specific impulse). Could a similar cross section in the cuts of a muzzle brake increase their efficiency as well?

A lot of the purpose for the shape of the cone is to get the expanding gases to accelerate in the same direction. The same principle could be applied to a brake, but the gases are mostly burnt already so you are mostly just contending with pressure and mass. There have been some brakes that have delved into that concept with mixed results. There isn't much room for a lengthy nozzle on a small rifle brake so it would be hard for it to get the gases moving in a uniform direction and accelerated. "Shark" brakes like you see on Barretts are fairly similar to what you are proposing. On a side note, recoilless rifles use a nozzle on the back :what:
 
iamkris, that's one I was thinking of. I just couldn't find the name. I saw it first in a print catalog.

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