muzzle brakes
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CoalCrackerAl
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I think they put them on to help reduce the flash.
Pat Riot
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I pushed the 1200 fps mark with Berry’s TMJ .357 bullets in .357 Magnum in my Ruger GP100. I got a sliver of copper in my cheek for my efforts.Many plated bullets can’t even stand 1200 fps before they start coming apart. If there is question a target just far enou forward of the muzzle to not be destroyed by its blast can catch the particles that have already detached, looks like this.
I won’t push that envelope again.
That picture looks like an astronomical event.
Pat Riot
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It helps when using a scope or optic to keep on target.
A muzzle brake doesn’t act as a flash hider or flash suppressor. It reduces recoil to the shooter.
doubleh
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My reason was to see if one would let me see bullet strikes on my target. I bought an inexpensive steel tanker style off eBay and sure enough I could watch the hole appear in the target at 100 yards and barely felt any recoil at all. The downside was that I felt quite a bit of the muzzle blast shooting under a 7' high tin roof and I removed it as soon as I finished with my load testing.
Once I was at the range when a guy set up with a 50 caliber rifle of some sort three benches away. I had never been around a 50 cal before. I had an empty Rtic coffee mug sitting on my bench. He warned everyone it would be loud but I was surprised when it blew my coffee cup over.
Fortunately, I don't see that many braked rifles at the range I go to. Last time that I was shooting and a guy started shooting a braked rifle next to me, I packed up and left. The concussion was bad enough that it was breaking my focus. No reason to waste money sending lead down range if I'm not able to focus on making good shots.
jmorris
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Thats easy, it looks “cool”, even if it’s obnoxious to anyone else around.
Now that I said that, I do have them on my 3 gun rifles because they do work, if you goal is to have the rifle move as little as possible during firing and most RO’s have come to expect them and the smart ones are double plugged.
In some cases a muzzle break is also designed to have blast diverters or even suppressors mounted to them. So that is another reason to have one on a 223 rifle.
As others have said, a muzzle break does nothing to reduce muzzle flash, you need a flash hider for that. They are two different things. Now with the M16A2 flash hider, it does kinda work as a compensator since the bottom is closed, but that was not the original intent of the design. The A2 flash hider is closed on the bottom to reduce the amount of sand and dirt getting kicked up when shooting prone.
As others have said, a muzzle break does nothing to reduce muzzle flash, you need a flash hider for that. They are two different things. Now with the M16A2 flash hider, it does kinda work as a compensator since the bottom is closed, but that was not the original intent of the design. The A2 flash hider is closed on the bottom to reduce the amount of sand and dirt getting kicked up when shooting prone.
Chuck R.
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On my 3Gun rig, the combination of:
Low Mass BCG
Adjustable buffer
Short reset trigger
Adjustable gas block
and the brake make for one "flat" shooting combination, flat in this case meaning lack of muzzle rise. Makes it a faster gun, which is demonstrated on the clock.
Hypertap® Muzzle Brake
Experience the Hypertap® Muzzle Brake by Precision Armament. Over 84% recoil reduction, easy installation, and superior heat resistance.
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or other guns, as the guys pointed out, it allows you to spot your rounds as it reduces recoil and muzzle rise.
Riomouse911
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I do wish folks wouldn’t use comps indoors. Rifles are loud enough, but it’s acceptable. Comps sending extra noise and blast to those on either side is obnoxious.
I just shot yesterday and some dude with an AR-10 .308 sporting a 16” barrel and a side-discharging comp set up two lanes over to my left. (The guy to my immediate left was shooting a .40 I believe.)
AR-10 guy would stick the barrel six inches past the end of the side plates between the lanes and the blast would make the lid on the box of .22 on my shelf flutter. It was so bad that the blast from guy in the lane next to me on my right shooting a Desert Eagle .44 was tame in comparison.
I guess if the AR-10 guy had been even a halfway decent shot I might have put up with it a bit longer, but his blasting 10 shots and not keeping half of them in a 6” circle at 18 yards was pretty pathetic. I get better patterning from a 20 gauge shooting buckshot.
Me and the guy between us cleaned up our fired cases and left the range at just about the same time. I think he was done, too.
Stay safe.
Pat Riot
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That’s why I have decided to just install an A2 type flash hider on mine. I will still get the benefit of muzzle control, but I won’t have the sideways concussion and added noise. I can’t be that guy that complains about everyone else but does the thing he complains about.
Maybe in a few months I will buy myself a can for my SFAR.
Riomouse911
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Yup. Phantoms or A2 for me.That’s why I have decided to just install an A2 type flash hider on mine. I will still get the benefit of muzzle control, but I won’t have the sideways concussion and added noise. I can’t be that guy that complains about everyone else but does the thing he complains about.
Maybe in a few months I will buy myself a can for my SFAR.
Stay safe.
LimaCharlie
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No muzzle brakes on my 223/5.56 or 308/7.62 rifles. I do have a muzzle brake on my Alexander Arms AR-15 in 50 Beowulf. My 30" custom 460 Weatherby has a brake integral to the barrel.
CoalCrackerAl
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2 of my sound forwarders are due in today. The other 1 is due in Monday.
Pat Riot
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I was going to get a Phantom but decided since I plan to get a silencer / suppressor next year (hopefully) I would just get the cheaper A2. I have put Phantoms on all my AR-15s, but they’re all gone now.
Riomouse911
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Surefire makes an adapter for their can that can be fired when the silencer is removed….
but they aren’t very good at flash suppressing!
(14.5” Daniel Defense using 62 gr WWB fmj)
Stay safe.
gotboostvr
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Surefire makes an adapter for their can that can be fired when the silencer is removed….
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but they aren’t very good at flash suppressing!
(14.5” Daniel Defense using 62 gr WWB fmj)
Stay safe.
I put a Griffin Armament three prong flash hider on my "fighting" carbine for when I'm not running it with a can.
My rifles that only get shot outdoors on public land all have brakes though when not shot suppressed.
small town life
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Over pressure is a state of mind........you either mind it or not. I use brakes on every gun (shottie, ba, ar, pistol). IF noise was a concern then use ear protection! Brakes are not just for recoil reduction, they are for quicker follow ups and seeing you shot impacts. YES, some brakes are louder. Does that mean they're more affective ............NO, but doesn't mean they aren't. In ar's you can tune many things unlike ba's. Recoil can be tuned with recoil springs, buffers, bcg's & adg's. A friend of mine says that the reason he doesn't shoot 308win is because of recoil and shoots 7-08 instead. I changed his mind when he shot an ar I built in 308win. Brake on helped in muzzle jump, but made no change in felt recoil. A gunsmith friend (before he move south) shot a s&w viking tactical with a 52 hole brake installed and was amazed at the performance. It's about 5 1/2" long and looks like a pepper pot brake. Some brakes aren't as loud as others when using the same ammo. A 1 for all brakes will be from Odin, Strike Industries & a few other places that will let you attach an open can/cover over the brake. Now you have a brake that isn't as loud and noise goes forward like linier brakes do. The type of shooting you do can make your choice in styles of brakes (radial, linier or outward).
. I use brakes on every gun (shottie, ba, ar, pistol). IF noise was a concern then use ear protection! Brakes are not just for recoil reduction, they are for quicker follow ups and seeing you shot impacts. YES, some brakes are louder. Does that mean they're more affective ............NO, but doesn't mean they aren't. In ar's you can tune many things unlike ba's. Recoil can be tuned with recoil springs, buffers, bcg's & adg's. A friend of mine says that the reason he doesn't shoot 308win is because of recoil and shoots 7-08 instead. I changed his mind when he shot an ar I built in 308win. Brake on helped in muzzle jump, but made no change in felt recoil. A gunsmith friend (before he move south) shot a s&w viking tactical with a 52 hole brake installed and was amazed at the performance. It's about 5 1/2" long and looks like a pepper pot brake. Some brakes aren't as loud as others when using the same ammo. A 1 for all brakes will be from Odin, Strike Industries & a few other places that will let you attach an open can/cover over the brake. Now you have a brake that isn't as loud and noise goes forward like linier brakes do. The type of shooting you do can make your choice in styles of brakes (radial, linier or outward).
shuvelrider
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The only takeaway I picked up on was " a young newbie shooter who picked up reloads at the gunshow", something we all should know not to trust. It was stated they were loaded to max, the young guy just did not know what he was using from lack of experience. Good that someone helped him out though.
Yep. I have seen it on more than one occasion.
I've dabbled with muzzle brakes on 223 Rem/5.56NATO rifles and 300 BO rifles. I can tell a difference in recoil but it is nothing large enough to right home about.
With current builds with lower power cartridges, I get barrels that are not threaded.
Larger cartridges may benefit more from muzzle brakes but I'd be considerate and not fire them where other folks are on the line with me.
With current builds with lower power cartridges, I get barrels that are not threaded.
Larger cartridges may benefit more from muzzle brakes but I'd be considerate and not fire them where other folks are on the line with me.
I have a Griffin Paladin 2 port brake on my 12.5" 5.56 SBR I've fired exactly 1 round unsurpassed indoors. Even with double ear pro the concussion is atrocious.
small town life
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Without a brake indoors on even a carbine it's LOUD!
mcb
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You should try 338 Lapua Mag indoors with a brake. Its an interesting experience, even with plugs and industrial muffs.
doubleh
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I have never been in an indoor range. The drive to one is too long for me. I understand a gunshop in the county's largest town about 25 miles south of me is constructing one. I have no interest in making use of it.
