Muzzle Loading Archery/Harpoon Guns

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There's a well known Connecticut company that makes archery barrels for the Ruger 10/22, as well as guns that fire arrows, harpoons, tranquilizing darts and larger caliber bullets powered by compressed air, CO2 or nail gun blanks.

http://www.swivelmachine.com/html/rimfire.htm

Because the basic idea has already been proven to work, it should also be possible to shoot an arrow or harpoon type projectile from a muzzle loader.
I know that plenty of people have forgotten that their ramrod was still in the bore after ramming and ended up launching it downrange.
And I believe that there are also some kind of wooden darts that are commonly fired from the modern reproductions of gonnes.

If some thick wadding was put in the bottom of a smaller caliber barrel the gases would be sealed.
The arrow projectile could additionally be wrapped with some leather or other gasket material to keep it stable once loaded inside the barrel.

Even if a larger caliber barrel was used, a thicker arrow or "harpoon" could be used to better fill the bore since a thinner arrow might snap of fracture with a heavy load.
But unless someone has a very good backing for their target like a wheel of hay, there's a good chance that the arrow would get damaged or destroyed upon impact.

It may even be possible to shoot a single short arrow or "bolt" from a C&B revolver barrel. However a safe method for preloading such a projectile into the barrel would need to be developed before the cylinder is loaded with powder and then finally capped. But I think that it could be done safely and would work to some extent.

I suppose that if someone was in a survival situation and ran out of bullets to shoot, that making a projectile from available materials would be an option.

So what does anyone think about the idea of shooting wooden arrows, harpoons, bolts or darts from the various types of muzzle loading guns, who has ever tried it or would be willing to? :)
 
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LOL I likes how you think !!!

Well... for starters, I'd suspect that the notion you're hatching sure ain't "new". Whaling ships launched their harpoons with a black powder charge, didn't they? I'd imagine that if a feller had a hankerin' to research the old harpoon guns... a plan of attack of a scaled down approach could be launched (pun intended). A feller would probably want to find out whether the harpoons of old were a hardwood or a soft wood, and why. I wouldn't be too surprised if the old harpoons had a brass foot on 'em to help keep the shaft intact. Since ya can't use fletching... a much heavier head to help keep it flying true.
 
I'm sure someone shot a ramrod into an enemy or game more than once. The early whaling harpoon guns were enormous black powder affairs made of heavy brass. I'm not going to try sticking a spear down the flintlock, though!
 
Here's 2 responses from another forum:


Seems to me I have some pictures of a 1700s flare/signal gun

Sort of a Long barreled Jaeger flintlock kind of thing.

It shot illumination flares that looked like big bottle rockets

Definite wood rod down the bbl. ,fired from the shoulder.



Shoulder fired muzzleloading harpoon guns are still in use up here by native whalers, especially for the kill lance. Pretty common.

Memory is foggy whether it was L&C Journals or another source, but there's a historic account of one explorer or trapper that got separated from his party for some time with his rifle and powder but without his ball bag. He tried shooting small game with wooden "arrows" in his rifle, but as I recall he was pretty darned hungry when reunited.

And yeah, my wife forgot to withdraw the ramrod when shooting her 36 cal at targets. 30 grains of 3f if I recall correctly. Testimony to her marksmanship, she just missed the 10-ring on a 3" bull at 25 yards. She acknowledged feeling more recoil at the shot, but didn't realize what she had done till she started looking for her ramrod to reload.

Yeah we didn't kid her too much about it. Not after the first year anyway. Come to think about it, maybe it's time to remind her one more time.......

http://www.muzzleloadingforum.com/f.../37/tid/236343/pid/742008/post/742008/#742008



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http://www.muzzleloadingforum.com/fusionbb/index.php?referral/4225/
 
So what does anyone think about the idea of shooting wooden arrows, harpoons, bolts or darts from the various types of muzzle loading guns, who has ever tried it or would be willing to? :)


arcticap

Where I live, the Dakota’s, we can use a harpoon gun to fish.
I have been talking to our game, fish & parks about mounting one
on my boat and have been looking for ideas.
So yes I have interest in one. What do you have in mind?


Tinker2
 
I have seen pics of a whaling harpoon gun from the early 1900s that listed the charge of nitroglycerin used to fire the harpoon! Been a while, but I think the thing was on Gunbroker or some such.

But that might not be a good idea in your Hawken...:eek:

-Sam
 
Harpooning for trout with a modified 10/22? Now that sounds better than the stupid stunts we did as young adults.
 
We have some big buffalo carp. You can use a bow, crossbow, spear or
a harpoon gun. A lot of fun and if you know how to cook them, good
eating.

If you are not aware of what a buffalo carp looks like.
http://www.huntingsports.net/wp-content/gallery/fishingpictures/buffalo-carp.jpg

If you are in a small boat it can be interesting and fun.

A harpoon canoe gun.

So yes I have interest in one.
arcticap, you going to make one? What are you thinking?



Tinker2
 
Wow... I'd've never even considered that carp would be good table fare. Look like they'd be a pile of fun to catch though.
 
So yes I have interest in one.
arcticap, you going to make one? What are you thinking?

I'm not really interested in harpooning or arrowing fish per se, but in learning more about the non-conventional uses for muzzle loading guns.
 
Ratdog68

I think it’s a cultural thing. I have fixed some and served it at my dads
http://www.sunsetlodgeinc.com/
restaurant and lodge before he retired, set it out on the bar for free
nibble food. Customers said that it was the best fish they ever had.

When told that that is was carp, you would have thought I had poisoned
them.

A lot of people were raised thinking that they are trash fish.
Freshwater Cod are regarded as a coarse fish too.

Their loss, my gain.



Tinker2
 
Arcticap

Well, I am. So anything you do find about hand held muzzleloading
harpoon guns, please pass on to us/me.


Thanks
Tinker2
 
LOL I unnerstan'...

Many years ago I was hanging on the side of a building and caught wiff of a wonderful aroma wafting by. I repelled to the ground and followed my nose.

I came upon a Vietnamese gentleman grilling food as a street vendor. I asked him what all he had cookin' in there. He raised the lid to display skewers of meat and replied with: "Dis one-a beef, dis one-a poke, dis one-a cheekin'... and a .... dis one-a.... summa udda kinda meat" I grinned and asked him... "summa udda kinda meat?" Whassat, like kitty-on-a-stick? I got the same reply from him for three volleys of inquiry. I made it clear that I'd buy some if he told me what it was... his reply was like a broken record and I decided to go elsewhere for my lunch. :D I wanted to try it... but, I wanted to KNOW what it was I was going to be trying. To this day... my enounter with that gentleman brings a smile to my face. It sure smelled wonderful !!
 
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