Muzzleloader Optics

Naw. The real challenge would be to hunt with the predecessor of the matchlock. Them things that had to be fired by sticking a red-hot wire in the touch hole. :rofl:

Did you not see the pic on my post you quoted? Did you even read what I said? Actually the hand gonnes were fired with a slow match.
 
Did you not see the pic on my post you quoted? Did you even read what I said? Actually the hand gonnes were fired with a slow match.
Yes sir, I sure did. I must have missed the obvious. Just seems like I read somewhere long ago that the really early weapons were first fired with a burning coal from a fire, or a hot wire. Could have been a, um..., "creative" memory or some such. My wife thinks I have "creative" hearing, so why not "creative" remembering?

Not looking to dig anybody here. Just tried to inject a bit of humor.:thumbup:
 
I don't care if people like inlines or not. That's your choice. However, I don't think they should be included in a blackpowder season. Because they are essentially modern rifles that only technically fit into the "muzzleloader" season. It's nothing but a way for modern gun hunters to hunt the early season without having to go full tilt boogie into traditional blackpowder. If they weren't allowed in the special season, they simply would not exist.
 
While I prefer a Malcolm type scope, a modern one for hunting wouldn't be out of consideration. BUT, 3x18 is way, way too much. You'd be better served by a low power variable with a good field of view.
 
My observations with inlines are that for the most part they are well made pieces of equipment. It's the attitude that goes with them that turns me off. I advertised in a magazine published by Knight years ago for a couple of years, not once did I see an article on load development. It was lets stuff these Pyrodex pellets in here with a powerbelt bullet and see if we can hit something at 200 yards. As to scopes some one mentioned that the recoil of a .50 cal would damage it, nope, most modern scopes are designed to handle modern rifle recoils that are a lot harsher than a .50. The same scopes will be gutted by a spring powered air rifle. If the OP wants to scope that thing he has huge choice available to him but to get the most out of rifle he is gonna have to do some load development.
 
A boring 3-9x40 (or 3-9x32) is all that is really needed.

2-7x33 Leupold or a 2-7x32 Vortex would work well too.

Really anything 3-9x40 and smaller.

Keep it light and trim.
 
Ive been using the same fixed 2.5 power scope on my 50 cal. cva staghorn 209 magnum for 22yrs. and I gotta say it has worked out really well for me . so that's what I would suggest .
 
I don't care if people like inlines or not. That's your choice. However, I don't think they should be included in a blackpowder season. Because they are essentially modern rifles that only technically fit into the "muzzleloader" season. It's nothing but a way for modern gun hunters to hunt the early season without having to go full tilt boogie into traditional blackpowder. If they weren't allowed in the special season, they simply would not exist.
Well, for one thing, its not called black powder season, its called muzzle loader season, which inlines definitely are.
You are correct that my main reason for getting into muzzleloaders was to take advantage of the extra hunting time. I see no problem with that, not ashamed to admit it. Some will progress in the hobby and find they like more traditional black powder weapons, some may not. It's not for me to judge either way, but I'll encourage you either way.
As for inlines not existing if they weren't allowed a special season, I think you are struggling a bit there. That's like saying modern crossbows wouldn't exist if they weren't allowed in archery season. All weapons and machinery ever invented have experienced improvements and developments that changed them throughout time.
If you like driving your model T, fine with me, I like my Silverado better.🙂
 
Well, for one thing, its not called black powder season, its called muzzle loader season, which inlines definitely are.

As for inlines not existing if they weren't allowed a special season, I think you are struggling a bit there. That's like saying modern crossbows wouldn't exist if they weren't allowed in archery season.

Here in MS it's called primitive weapons season which is a joke. Primitive weapons for the first season is breech loading cartridge rifles .35 caliber and above. You can use smokeless powder and a scope. The only caveat is it must have an external hammer. The H&R Handi Rifle in .35 Whelen or 45-70 rules. For the rest of the primitive weapons seasons on private land it's your choice of any rifle that's legal in regular gun season so you can use your AR with 30 round mags during primitive weapons season. Since they went to this ruling 15 or 20 years ago inlines have all but disappeared. I have not seen a new one for sale anywhere. Back in the 70's and 80's crossbows were only legal for the disabled. You might see one for sale every now and then but now they're legal for anybody and they're everywhere.
 
Well, for one thing, its not called black powder season, its called muzzle loader season, which inlines definitely are.
You are correct that my main reason for getting into muzzleloaders was to take advantage of the extra hunting time. I see no problem with that, not ashamed to admit it. Some will progress in the hobby and find they like more traditional black powder weapons, some may not. It's not for me to judge either way, but I'll encourage you either way.
As for inlines not existing if they weren't allowed a special season, I think you are struggling a bit there. That's like saying modern crossbows wouldn't exist if they weren't allowed in archery season. All weapons and machinery ever invented have experienced improvements and developments that changed them throughout time.
If you like driving your model T, fine with me, I like my Silverado better.🙂
The rules and what it is caleld varies by state. In some states, modern inlines are not allowed, nor are optics. IMHO, which I am quite entitled to, that is how it should be.

I stand firmly behind my assertion that the modern inline would not exist if they were restricted to the modern gun season. They have been developed strictly as a way for those who prefer modern weaponry and otherwise have no interest in traditional blackpowder to skirt the rules of muzzleloader seasons. Might as well use them during archery season too.

You can like your Silverado all you want, However, it won't be invited to the antique car club/show/whatever.
 
TBH I started out on a emf confederate 58 cal. carbine back in the 70s then moved to a Italian hawken like object 50 cal. then to the stag horn mag. I stopped there its easy to clean and as close to the others as I could stay . and it shoots real sweet
 
If you're gonna use an inline with a scope I'd use a 1-4 or 2-7 like I would if I was a heathen and scoped my 45/70 lever gun.

I agree that spirit of the game should ba a primitive weapon, I'd rather see a Sharps or High wall cartridge gun loaded with BP and irons than a scoped modern inline allowed.
 
If you're gonna use an inline with a scope I'd use a 1-4 or 2-7 like I would if I was a heathen and scoped my 45/70 lever gun.

I agree that spirit of the game should ba a primitive weapon, I'd rather see a Sharps or High wall cartridge gun loaded with BP and irons than a scoped modern inline allowed.
Well therein is another issue: It may be a "game" to you, but my family subsists on Venison, so I'll take any advantage I can to put the meat I need in the freezer, the spirit of the deer doesn't care.🙂
 
TBH I started out on a emf confederate 58 cal. carbine back in the 70s then moved to a Italian hawken like object 50 cal. then to the stag horn mag. I stopped there its easy to clean and as close to the others as I could stay . and it shoots real sweet
I started with a borrowed .45cal Hawken cap lock in the middle 80's, then I bought a used T/C .50 cal cap lock in the late 80's. Had many caps fail to fire. I have shot flintlocks and enjoyed it, but at this time I have no desire to hunt with one.
I have a small window of deer season to get the meat I need to last until next season. I can't afford unreliability and I find 209's to be much more reliable.🙂
 
Well therein is another issue: It may be a "game" to you, but my family subsists on Venison, so I'll take any advantage I can to put the meat I need in the freezer, the spirit of the deer doesn't care.🙂
.30-06 has worked pretty well for me when I didn’t want to leave anything to chance. One of my uncles died last year at 97, he favored a cut down Krag Jorgensen bolt action with a peep rear and a copper bead front sight. killed a railro carload of deer, bear, and elk. I don’t recall them ever going hungry.

It’s never been the spirit of the game thats offended. The offense is against the spirit of the hunt. It was a primitive weapon season, an opportunity to hearken back to days of yore, etc. same as the archery seasons in intent. Of course, being that the participants are all human it didn’t take long before everyone sought an advantage. Over the game, over their fellow hunters, and over their own weaknesses, real or perceived. After that comes the slippery slope. “Muzzleloading rifles shooting 300 grain bullets 3000 fps with 4-24x variable scopes capable benchrest accuracy thousands of yards away. Killing elk over a thousand yards away with a muzzleloader… who‘d have guessed it would happen in my lifetime. Not me, that’s for sure.
 
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.30-06 has worked pretty well for me when I didn’t want to leave anything to chance.
Agreed, but that's only a small part of the season. I work a full time+ job. If I could hunt every weekend available, that's still not very many days. And since my family and job demand some of my weekends also, I need to be successful at a higher percentage than many hunters do.
 
Agreed, but that's only a small part of the season. I work a full time+ job. If I could hunt every weekend available, that's still not very many days. And since my family and job demand some of my weekends also, I need to be successful at a higher percentage than many hunters do.
I hope you don’t feel I’m singling you out or criticizing your decisions. It’s a,free country and people should do as they see fit.
 
My Thompson Center Omega wears an old Bushnell Scopechief VI 3x9, but I just set it on 4x and leave it there.

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My father bought a matching pair for the both of us so that we could extend our hunting seasons, just more time to hunt with my father. At this point we don't have have a specific muzzleloading season anymore here though.
It was changed to alternative methods a few years back and pretty much everything is allowed except for centerfire rifles and Shotguns. Prior to selling it, I took my BFR in 45/70 out a few times for those seasons.
 
I hope you don’t feel I’m singling you out or criticizing your decisions. It’s a,free country and people should do as they see fit.
No I don't think you are singling me out at all. Everyone has thier own perspective. Everyone draws the lines they like. Personally, I don't think much of people who drive backroads and shoot deer on other people's property. I was taught different. With that said, if my kids were starving and I had to, yes I would. But most who do that sort of thing around here are not starving, just lazy in my book. In other parts of the country, this may be more common or acceptable, but not here. I'm not gonna condemn someone in Alaska for doing that if that's what they need to do.
So, to the point of this whole exchange,
I'm sorry if my view of inlines is distasteful to some, but these days most folks are going to get introduced to "black powder" weapons via an inline. I just don't see many cap locks or flint locks on store shelves these days.
I think it is more productive to be supportive instead of denigrating. When the time is right, I might become a "real black powder guy", but it won't be because of any of the condescending posts from some of these guys. None of these folks who despise inlines are doing thier own hobby any good by discouraging someone else.
 
No I don't think you are singling me out at all. Everyone has thier own perspective. Everyone draws the lines they like. Personally, I don't think much of people who drive backroads and shoot deer on other people's property. I was taught different. With that said, if my kids were starving and I had to, yes I would. But most who do that sort of thing around here are not starving, just lazy in my book. In other parts of the country, this may be more common or acceptable, but not here. I'm not gonna condemn someone in Alaska for doing that if that's what they need to do.
So, to the point of this whole exchange,
I'm sorry if my view of inlines is distasteful to some, but these days most folks are going to get introduced to "black powder" weapons via an inline. I just don't see many cap locks or flint locks on store shelves these days.
I think it is more productive to be supportive instead of denigrating. When the time is right, I might become a "real black powder guy", but it won't be because of any of the condescending posts from some of these guys. None of these folks who despise inlines are doing thier own hobby any good by discouraging someone else.
Not discouraging anyone. Modern inlines, made out of modern materials, shooting modern bullets, with modern propellants, using modern optics just don't belong in the muzzleloader season. Just as rifles don't belong in archery. Now, I'm not gonna get my drawers in a twist over it because there is no shortage of deer. That's just my opinion. No one has to like it or agree.

It ain't a game. 'Why' people hunt is irrelevant.
 
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