My 35 Rems

[bluetopper]

Here’s a family photo of my 35 Rems; from front to back Marlin model 336 made in 1966, model 81 made in 1941, and yesterday I went to our small local gun show and there sitting on the table was a model 8 at a good price made in 1921 that I had to rescue for its hundredth birthday.

 

[Walkalong]

100th birthday, that's seriously cool. Nice rifles. I only have one, a Marlin.

 

[ECVMatt]

Those are great! I love the 35 Remington and have always wanted a 336 in that caliber. That is a nice collection of rifles in a perfect caliber for the N. Texas hardwoods.

 

[someguy2800]

I have 3 35 Remington’s myself. The first is a Remington 141 that I’m currently doing some work on, the 2nd is a magnum research SSP-91 single shot pistol, and just this last week I managed to find an H&R handi rifle so chambered after years of looking. I had a 35 Remington contender carbine also that I recently put together, but I decided I wasn’t that into that project so I parted it out. I’m jealous of all 3 of yours!

 

[HowieG]

Nice wood on the Marlin. What's the deal with the Model 8 stock? Was it previously cut short and then lengthened, or was it lengthened from standard?

 

[bluetopper]

Nice wood on the Marlin. What's the deal with the Model 8 stock? Was it previously cut short and then lengthened, or was it lengthened from standard?

Looks like something happened to the wood and they cut it off and replaced it. It fits the curved metal butt perfectly.

 

[Riomouse911]

Sweet!

My only .35 Rem is a 336 that I bought from a seller in Michigan. I wish I could hear how many deer it took before it headed out West to me.

Stay safe.

 

[herrwalther]

Only have one 35 Rem, a Marlin 336. Unfortunately it has the cross bolt safety but otherwise I am very happy to own it. Believe mine was made in 1984, without grabbing it out of the safe. Too bad there aren't more companies making 35Rem stuff. It really is a nice cartridge.

 

[someguy2800]

Its a shame 35 rem didn't make its debut in a stronger firearm because it really turns into quite a little powerhouse when loaded to a little higher pressure.

 

[HowieG]

Its a shame 35 rem didn't make its debut in a stronger firearm because it really turns into quite a little powerhouse when loaded to a little higher pressure.

I am not sure the strength of the firearm entered into that. The same basic Model 8 action, in the form of the Model 81, was chambered for 300 Savage in 1940. That tells me the action was plenty strong for anything the 35 Remington could do.

 

[horsemen61]

.35 Remington yup I’m a fan

 

[someguy2800]

I am not sure the strength of the firearm entered into that. The same basic Model 8 action, in the form of the Model 81, was chambered for 300 Savage in 1940. That tells me the action was plenty strong for anything the 35 Remington could do.

Metallurgy evolved tremendously in that time.

 

[HowieG]

Metallurgy evolved tremendously in that time.

Oh, come on! The 30-03/30-06 were loose on the world from 1903 on, not to mention cartridges like the 405 Winchester (1904), 7mm Mauser (1897), and 250-3000 (1915) and you are saying they didn't pump up the 35 Remington a little bit because of the steel? Don't think so. I think it more likely that the 35 Rem's small case didn't lend itself to a bunch of pumping up with the powders then available. I think Remington was just offering rimless versions of the Winchester 1894 cartridges.

 

[someguy2800]

Oh, come on! The 30-03/30-06 were loose on the world from 1903 on, not to mention cartridges like the 405 Winchester (1904), 7mm Mauser (1897), and 250-3000 (1915) and you are saying they didn't pump up the 35 Remington a little bit because of the steel? Don't think so. I think it more likely that the 35 Rem's small case didn't lend itself to a bunch of pumping up with the powders then available. I think Remington was just offering rimless versions of the Winchester 1894 cartridges.

35 Remington standard pressure is 33,500 psi. The other Remington cartridges that were in the model 8 had a smaller bolt face and were thus higher at 38,000 psi. 30/30 is 42,000. 250-3000 is 45,000 cup. 405 winchester is 46,000. 7mm mauser is 51,000. 30/06 at the time of its introduction was about the same. The common military bolt action cartridges of that time were typically loaded around 40,000-45,000 but that crept up as time went on. Even for its time the 35 rem was a relatively low pressure cartridge and it would seam to me that since they designed it just for the model 8, they probably did so on purpose. The fact that there are lots of cartridges that predate the Remington cartridges that have higher pressure ratings would serve some indicator to me that the model 8 at least at the time of its inception didn’t like lots of bolt thrust either for safety or for reliable function, or maybe they met their performance requirements and they just left it at that. So no I did not say there was not good enough steel for higher pressure, that would be ridiculous. What I’m saying is that they saw fit to run all the Remington cartridges at relatively low pressure at its introduction, which may have been made a non issue by advancements in metallurgy as time went on.

In any case whatever the reason was, it really wakes up in a modern action loaded up at a higher pressure. I also load for a 358 yeti which is based on a shortened 308 case, but has very similar case capacity to 35 rem. Maybe 2 grains less capacity and a little shorter and fatter case. 358 yeti will happily push a 180 grain to 2500-2600 fps from a 16” barrel, which exceeds 308 winchester in muzzle energy. Same could be done with a 35 rem case in the right action. Pretty potent little round and very powder efficient. Of course there is nothing wrong with it in its original loading either.

 

[Gerd33]

I really like the .35Rem because I like things a bit different therefore, I have two, a fairly plain 336 CS that's one of my main go to rifles for deer, and a 336A that I picked up at a show.

 

[Rubone]

Great find! I like the .35 and have a 336 in that caliber I acquired to go along with my 81!

 

[Walkalong]

My 336, with a Vortex Viper 2-7x32, which replaced an old Weaver 4X.

 

[HowieG]

35 Remington standard pressure is 33,500 psi. The other Remington cartridges that were in the model 8 had a smaller bolt face and were thus higher at 38,000 psi. 30/30 is 42,000. 250-3000 is 45,000 cup. 405 winchester is 46,000. 7mm mauser is 51,000. 30/06 at the time of its introduction was about the same. The common military bolt action cartridges of that time were typically loaded around 40,000-45,000 but that crept up as time went on. Even for its time the 35 rem was a relatively low pressure cartridge and it would seam to me that since they designed it just for the model 8, they probably did so on purpose. The fact that there are lots of cartridges that predate the Remington cartridges that have higher pressure ratings would serve some indicator to me that the model 8 at least at the time of its inception didn’t like lots of bolt thrust either for safety or for reliable function, or maybe they met their performance requirements and they just left it at that. So no I did not say there was not good enough steel for higher pressure, that would be ridiculous. What I’m saying is that they saw fit to run all the Remington cartridges at relatively low pressure at its introduction, which may have been made a non issue by advancements in metallurgy as time went on.

In any case whatever the reason was, it really wakes up in a modern action loaded up at a higher pressure. I also load for a 358 yeti which is based on a shortened 308 case, but has very similar case capacity to 35 rem. Maybe 2 grains less capacity and a little shorter and fatter case. 358 yeti will happily push a 180 grain to 2500-2600 fps from a 16” barrel, which exceeds 308 winchester in muzzle energy. Same could be done with a 35 rem case in the right action. Pretty potent little round and very powder efficient. Of course there is nothing wrong with it in its original loading either.

I checked my copy of Legendary Sporting Rifles to see what Sam Fadala had to say on the subject. He talked at length about the design and strength of the Model 8. He said, and I quote, "This specific manner of closing the breech [rotating bolt with twin lugs] provided the kind of action strength necessary for high-intensity cartridges." He goes on to say that the cartridge designs themselves were intended to ballistically match the popular Winchester offerings of the day, which were the 25-35, 30-30, 32 Special, and (surprise) the 35 Winchester. The 35 Remington didn't quite make it up to 35 Winchester ballistics (250gr @ 2195), but it isn't horribly far off considering Remington had to use a much shorter case in the Model 8. Nobody was trying to be a rocket scientist. They were trying to market to a conservative audience much like Savage did with the 1899 and the 303 Savage, which also more or less duplicated the 30-30. Things changed quickly, of course, over the next 10 years, culminating with Savage breaking the 3000 fps barrier in 1915 and setting off a velocity race.

 

[25-20 WCF]

…Even for its time the 35 rem was a relatively low pressure cartridge and it would seam to me that since they designed it just for the model 8, they probably did so on purpose…

Yes, and that purpose was the Model 14. A trim pump action rifle of considerably less bulk than the M8, it would have been pressure/thrust limited, hence the low design pressure for the .35. Too, that cartridge was originally chambered in the M8, not the later M81. Was the latter more robust when chambered in .300 Savage? No idea.





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[someguy2800]

Yes, and that purpose was the Model 14. A trim pump action rifle of considerably less bulk than the M8, it would have been pressure/thrust limited, hence the low design pressure for the .35. Too, that cartridge was originally chambered in the M8, not the later M81. Was the latter more robust when chambered in .300 Savage? No idea.





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The model 8 was on sale to the public for 3 years before the model 14 even started development.

 

[Gordon]

35 Remington standard pressure is 33,500 psi. The other Remington cartridges that were in the model 8 had a smaller bolt face and were thus higher at 38,000 psi. 30/30 is 42,000. 250-3000 is 45,000 cup. 405 winchester is 46,000. 7mm mauser is 51,000. 30/06 at the time of its introduction was about the same. The common military bolt action cartridges of that time were typically loaded around 40,000-45,000 but that crept up as time went on. Even for its time the 35 rem was a relatively low pressure cartridge and it would seam to me that since they designed it just for the model 8, they probably did so on purpose. The fact that there are lots of cartridges that predate the Remington cartridges that have higher pressure ratings would serve some indicator to me that the model 8 at least at the time of its inception didn’t like lots of bolt thrust either for safety or for reliable function, or maybe they met their performance requirements and they just left it at that. So no I did not say there was not good enough steel for higher pressure, that would be ridiculous. What I’m saying is that they saw fit to run all the Remington cartridges at relatively low pressure at its introduction, which may have been made a non issue by advancements in metallurgy as time went on.

In any case whatever the reason was, it really wakes up in a modern action loaded up at a higher pressure. I also load for a 358 yeti which is based on a shortened 308 case, but has very similar case capacity to 35 rem. Maybe 2 grains less capacity and a little shorter and fatter case. 358 yeti will happily push a 180 grain to 2500-2600 fps from a 16” barrel, which exceeds 308 winchester in muzzle energy. Same could be done with a 35 rem case in the right action. Pretty potent little round and very powder efficient. Of course there is nothing wrong with it in its original loading either.

Suffice it to say , after having a passel of them and loving every one The only one I currently own is my 600 Remington in great condition with a wonderfully accurate barrel that shoots the Remington Factory 200 Grain Corlotdk ammo into a less than 2" cluster at 100 yards . I load my own ammo that is FAR superior to the good Rem Corlocktd 200 grain ammo ! I dye the case head red on the .35 Remington cartridges I loadfor this gun as the pressures GREATLY EXCEED the SAMMI or CIP Standards ! I gave my 141 Rem Pump to one son and my Marlin 336 .35 to another son who got the Marlin collection. I still have a 14" scoped Contender Barrel around but won't put any of those "Blue pill whistlers " in any thing but the 600 bolt gun !
The .35 Remington has a great case shape and the capacity in the case is just right for 16-20" barrel work , because max velocity loads use a faster powder. You don't have to use a different powder if you use something like H-335 ., you just use more of it until you detect the slightest sign , then don't shoot THOSE and back off 10% . Such a technique allows me to get 2450 from an 18" barrel with 180 grain Speer semi Spitzers ., 2300 FPS Hornady Spire point Interlock bullets . These are insanely ferocious deer loads to 350 yards and work super well from 50 yards out ! Kills the biggest Hogs from any angle and I am sure if I find an Elk in range and have a tag it will cleanly take it !
It is jus a regular as sold .35 Rem. 600 Remington 6.5 scoped weight Carbine with DeadNutz Game Reaper mounts and a Leupold 1-4 Heavy Duplex scope and a sweet trigger ! I think a modern loaded .35Rem is an ideal carbine up thru elk cartridge !

 

[someguy2800]

Suffice it to say , after having a passel of them and loving every one The only one I currently own is my 600 Remington in great condition with a wonderfully accurate barrel that shoots the Remington Factory 200 Grain Corlotdk ammo into a less than 2" cluster at 100 yards . I load my own ammo that is FAR superior to the good Rem Corlocktd 200 grain ammo ! I dye the case head red on the .35 Remington cartridges I loadfor this gun as the pressures GREATLY EXCEED the SAMMI or CIP Standards ! I gave my 141 Rem Pump to one son and my Marlin 336 .35 to another son who got the Marlin collection. I still have a 14" scoped Contender Barrel around but won't put any of those "Blue pill whistlers " in any thing but the 600 bolt gun !
The .35 Remington has a great case shape and the capacity in the case is just right for 16-20" barrel work , because max velocity loads use a faster powder. You don't have to use a different powder if you use something like H-335 ., you just use more of it until you detect the slightest sign , then don't shoot THOSE and back off 10% . Such a technique allows me to get 2450 from an 18" barrel with 180 grain Speer semi Spitzers ., 2300 FPS Hornady Spire point Interlock bullets . These are insanely ferocious deer loads to 350 yards and work super well from 50 yards out ! Kills the biggest Hogs from any angle and I am sure if I find an Elk in range and have a tag it will cleanly take it !
It is jus a regular as sold .35 Rem. 600 Remington 6.5 scoped weight Carbine with DeadNutz Game Reaper mounts and a Leupold 1-4 Heavy Duplex scope and a sweet trigger ! I think a modern loaded .35Rem is an ideal carbine up thru elk cartridge !

We should probably start a 35+p thread to not derail this one farther but in my magnum research pistol in 35 Remington, which is rated for 308 win pressures, I’m using my 358 yeti loads. Here is a picture of a 358 yeti case on the left and a 35 rem on the right filled with an equal charge of powder.



We have found in the 358 yet that we can get faster velocities and very safe and stable pressure by using powders faster than are typically listed for 35 rem. The 35 rem is for all practical purposes a scaled up 7.62x39, so powders that work well in that will work in 35 rem or 358 yeti in a suitable firearm. My 180 grain load for the yeti uses a mild load of CFE BLK at 2500 fps from a 16” barrel. In my magnum research 35 rem I’m using the 200 grain hornady RN with shooters world blackout. I am getting 2350 fps from that with only a 14” barrel and absolutely no sign of pressure. Pretty impressive considering the 14” handgun loaded listed by hodgdon top out at 1800. The cases fall out of the gun and primers have no flattening at all using the softest primer I have. I feel I could go even faster but with energy levels near 500 S&W my wrist has said that’s enough. I recently got a 22” H&R 35 rem barrel and I’m very excited to experiment in that! My 141 will just be getting cast bullet loads at saami pressures.

Here is a link to the 358 yeti load data in case your curious. Stay safe!

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/u/0/d/1fMArN8kp95r4zuwjr7EuNEmGr-1lerAoU05E6ENmwZo/htmlview#