Nice wood on the Marlin. What's the deal with the Model 8 stock? Was it previously cut short and then lengthened, or was it lengthened from standard?
Its a shame 35 rem didn't make its debut in a stronger firearm because it really turns into quite a little powerhouse when loaded to a little higher pressure.
I am not sure the strength of the firearm entered into that. The same basic Model 8 action, in the form of the Model 81, was chambered for 300 Savage in 1940. That tells me the action was plenty strong for anything the 35 Remington could do.
Metallurgy evolved tremendously in that time.
Oh, come on! The 30-03/30-06 were loose on the world from 1903 on, not to mention cartridges like the 405 Winchester (1904), 7mm Mauser (1897), and 250-3000 (1915) and you are saying they didn't pump up the 35 Remington a little bit because of the steel? Don't think so. I think it more likely that the 35 Rem's small case didn't lend itself to a bunch of pumping up with the powders then available. I think Remington was just offering rimless versions of the Winchester 1894 cartridges.
35 Remington standard pressure is 33,500 psi. The other Remington cartridges that were in the model 8 had a smaller bolt face and were thus higher at 38,000 psi. 30/30 is 42,000. 250-3000 is 45,000 cup. 405 winchester is 46,000. 7mm mauser is 51,000. 30/06 at the time of its introduction was about the same. The common military bolt action cartridges of that time were typically loaded around 40,000-45,000 but that crept up as time went on. Even for its time the 35 rem was a relatively low pressure cartridge and it would seam to me that since they designed it just for the model 8, they probably did so on purpose. The fact that there are lots of cartridges that predate the Remington cartridges that have higher pressure ratings would serve some indicator to me that the model 8 at least at the time of its inception didn’t like lots of bolt thrust either for safety or for reliable function, or maybe they met their performance requirements and they just left it at that. So no I did not say there was not good enough steel for higher pressure, that would be ridiculous. What I’m saying is that they saw fit to run all the Remington cartridges at relatively low pressure at its introduction, which may have been made a non issue by advancements in metallurgy as time went on.
In any case whatever the reason was, it really wakes up in a modern action loaded up at a higher pressure. I also load for a 358 yeti which is based on a shortened 308 case, but has very similar case capacity to 35 rem. Maybe 2 grains less capacity and a little shorter and fatter case. 358 yeti will happily push a 180 grain to 2500-2600 fps from a 16” barrel, which exceeds 308 winchester in muzzle energy. Same could be done with a 35 rem case in the right action. Pretty potent little round and very powder efficient. Of course there is nothing wrong with it in its original loading either.
Yes, and that purpose was the Model 14. A trim pump action rifle of considerably less bulk than the M8, it would have been pressure/thrust limited, hence the low design pressure for the .35. Too, that cartridge was originally chambered in the M8, not the later M81. Was the latter more robust when chambered in .300 Savage? No idea.…Even for its time the 35 rem was a relatively low pressure cartridge and it would seam to me that since they designed it just for the model 8, they probably did so on purpose…
Yes, and that purpose was the Model 14. A trim pump action rifle of considerably less bulk than the M8, it would have been pressure/thrust limited, hence the low design pressure for the .35. Too, that cartridge was originally chambered in the M8, not the later M81. Was the latter more robust when chambered in .300 Savage? No idea.
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35 Remington standard pressure is 33,500 psi. The other Remington cartridges that were in the model 8 had a smaller bolt face and were thus higher at 38,000 psi. 30/30 is 42,000. 250-3000 is 45,000 cup. 405 winchester is 46,000. 7mm mauser is 51,000. 30/06 at the time of its introduction was about the same. The common military bolt action cartridges of that time were typically loaded around 40,000-45,000 but that crept up as time went on. Even for its time the 35 rem was a relatively low pressure cartridge and it would seam to me that since they designed it just for the model 8, they probably did so on purpose. The fact that there are lots of cartridges that predate the Remington cartridges that have higher pressure ratings would serve some indicator to me that the model 8 at least at the time of its inception didn’t like lots of bolt thrust either for safety or for reliable function, or maybe they met their performance requirements and they just left it at that. So no I did not say there was not good enough steel for higher pressure, that would be ridiculous. What I’m saying is that they saw fit to run all the Remington cartridges at relatively low pressure at its introduction, which may have been made a non issue by advancements in metallurgy as time went on.
In any case whatever the reason was, it really wakes up in a modern action loaded up at a higher pressure. I also load for a 358 yeti which is based on a shortened 308 case, but has very similar case capacity to 35 rem. Maybe 2 grains less capacity and a little shorter and fatter case. 358 yeti will happily push a 180 grain to 2500-2600 fps from a 16” barrel, which exceeds 308 winchester in muzzle energy. Same could be done with a 35 rem case in the right action. Pretty potent little round and very powder efficient. Of course there is nothing wrong with it in its original loading either.
Suffice it to say , after having a passel of them and loving every one The only one I currently own is my 600 Remington in great condition with a wonderfully accurate barrel that shoots the Remington Factory 200 Grain Corlotdk ammo into a less than 2" cluster at 100 yards . I load my own ammo that is FAR superior to the good Rem Corlocktd 200 grain ammo ! I dye the case head red on the .35 Remington cartridges I loadfor this gun as the pressures GREATLY EXCEED the SAMMI or CIP Standards ! I gave my 141 Rem Pump to one son and my Marlin 336 .35 to another son who got the Marlin collection. I still have a 14" scoped Contender Barrel around but won't put any of those "Blue pill whistlers " in any thing but the 600 bolt gun !
The .35 Remington has a great case shape and the capacity in the case is just right for 16-20" barrel work , because max velocity loads use a faster powder. You don't have to use a different powder if you use something like H-335 ., you just use more of it until you detect the slightest sign , then don't shoot THOSE and back off 10% . Such a technique allows me to get 2450 from an 18" barrel with 180 grain Speer semi Spitzers ., 2300 FPS Hornady Spire point Interlock bullets . These are insanely ferocious deer loads to 350 yards and work super well from 50 yards out ! Kills the biggest Hogs from any angle and I am sure if I find an Elk in range and have a tag it will cleanly take it !
It is jus a regular as sold .35 Rem. 600 Remington 6.5 scoped weight Carbine with DeadNutz Game Reaper mounts and a Leupold 1-4 Heavy Duplex scope and a sweet trigger ! I think a modern loaded .35Rem is an ideal carbine up thru elk cartridge !