Working Man
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It is a shame they can't see that is exactly what they are doing.
It is a shame they can't see that is exactly what they are doing.
My bank posted a "No concealed Handgun" sign, what should I do?
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The Real Hawkeye
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I would add a small, red letter, subtext which reads:
rbernie
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Texas has very explicit laws describing the signage that must be present to preclude legal concealed carry on premises. The advice that's been given by others in this regard has been accurate and appropriate.
Snarlingiron - Compass Bank seems pretty nice, if y'all have 'em in Tarrant Co. Both of my favorite gun shops in Plano keep their corporate accounts there, too.
Aguila Blanca
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Yes, I am aware of that. But we're not talking about some states, we're talking about Texas, and Texas has specific requirements for POSTING if a bank or any other type of business wishes to bar concealed weapons holders from their premises.Thin Black Line said:
Another "so called win for concealed carry" Yea right that is not CCW friendly state.
Free States don't have stupid rules. (note MA not a free state)
You folks with these restrictions might as well have none. Work to get rid of them.
Can't carry in a bank, why in Heck do you think I need to carry? Making large deposits used to be one of the criteria to get a permit in a lot of states such as MA.
Even in the People’s Republic of MA they are not this dumb.
Free States don't have stupid rules. (note MA not a free state)
You folks with these restrictions might as well have none. Work to get rid of them.
Can't carry in a bank, why in Heck do you think I need to carry? Making large deposits used to be one of the criteria to get a permit in a lot of states such as MA.
Even in the People’s Republic of MA they are not this dumb.
Well, if it's concealed, then no one will see it.
Should you need to use it inside the bank (a VERY VERY VERY remote possibility), I doubt anyone will mind if you shoot a bankrobber. Maybe I'm wrong.
In California, despite all our stupid anti-gun laws, the law specifically states that legitimate self-defense indemnifies you against prosecution for gun violations. But we don't have CCW reform, so only people in certain counties can get a CCW permit without performing lewd acts on the mayor.
Should you need to use it inside the bank (a VERY VERY VERY remote possibility), I doubt anyone will mind if you shoot a bankrobber. Maybe I'm wrong.
In California, despite all our stupid anti-gun laws, the law specifically states that legitimate self-defense indemnifies you against prosecution for gun violations. But we don't have CCW reform, so only people in certain counties can get a CCW permit without performing lewd acts on the mayor.
mbs357
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If I'm not mistaken.
For him to carry concealed with such a sign posted would be illegal.
Wich is not something I consider High Road.
For him to carry concealed with such a sign posted would be illegal.
Wich is not something I consider High Road.
Maybe the bank will be robbed soon
That's just an advertisment isn't it?
No one in here has a gun, so you bank robbers will be very safe with yours should you decide to rob us.
Instead, it should say, CCW Welcome, an armed society is a polite society, thanks for banking with us and saving us money on security guards....haha
jeepmor
That's just an advertisment isn't it?
No one in here has a gun, so you bank robbers will be very safe with yours should you decide to rob us.
Instead, it should say, CCW Welcome, an armed society is a polite society, thanks for banking with us and saving us money on security guards....haha
jeepmor
Snarlingiron
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The law in Texas is clear, and I won't go down that road. Life is too short to risk that kind of trouble. I will make my case known to the Powers that be at the bank, and then take the appropriate action. This violation in Texas is a Class A misdemeanor the punishments for which are as follows:
§ 12.21. CLASS A MISDEMEANOR. An individual adjudged
guilty of a Class A misdemeanor shall be punished by:
(1) a fine not to exceed $4,000
(2) confinement in jail for a term not to exceed one year or
(3) both such fine and confinement.
Not to mention that when you are convicted of a Class A misdemeanor you are also likely to lose your CHL.
Nope, not interested.
§ 12.21. CLASS A MISDEMEANOR. An individual adjudged
guilty of a Class A misdemeanor shall be punished by:
(1) a fine not to exceed $4,000
(2) confinement in jail for a term not to exceed one year or
(3) both such fine and confinement.
Not to mention that when you are convicted of a Class A misdemeanor you are also likely to lose your CHL.
Nope, not interested.
Snarlingiron
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Posted by RyanM
I looked PA up on Packing.org, and you are right. In PA, it's pretty simple. I'm thinking about spending $20.00 and getting mine just for the sake of saying I have it. I will have to say that the NICS qualification afforded by the Texas CHL is nice. As is having reciprocity in 26 states. This is in flux, and Packing.org really hasn't kept up with it. I know for example, that New Mexico (where open carry is legal) recently began honoring Texas' CHL. I have walzed into a store, bought a pistol, plopped down my CHL. and walked out a couple of minutes later with the pistol under my arm with no additional paperwork or hassle. We are specifically allowed to carry in State parks in Texas, and we do have gun friendly peacable journey laws, but other than that PA does seem easier. The 10 hours of required training for the CHL in Texas is largely understanding of the law. The qualification consists of 50 rounds fired at center of mass at a target that simulates about a 350 pound man. If you can't qualify in Texas you truly do not have any business carrying a gun. Come to think of it, you probably should'nt even be firing one at all.
I looked PA up on Packing.org, and you are right. In PA, it's pretty simple. I'm thinking about spending $20.00 and getting mine just for the sake of saying I have it. I will have to say that the NICS qualification afforded by the Texas CHL is nice. As is having reciprocity in 26 states. This is in flux, and Packing.org really hasn't kept up with it. I know for example, that New Mexico (where open carry is legal) recently began honoring Texas' CHL. I have walzed into a store, bought a pistol, plopped down my CHL. and walked out a couple of minutes later with the pistol under my arm with no additional paperwork or hassle. We are specifically allowed to carry in State parks in Texas, and we do have gun friendly peacable journey laws, but other than that PA does seem easier. The 10 hours of required training for the CHL in Texas is largely understanding of the law. The qualification consists of 50 rounds fired at center of mass at a target that simulates about a 350 pound man. If you can't qualify in Texas you truly do not have any business carrying a gun. Come to think of it, you probably should'nt even be firing one at all.
My bank, in TX, posted a simple, "No Guns Allowed", sign. I ignored it. Told the branch manager, know him pretty well, that the sign meant nothing, that I had a CHL and knew the law. Never stated that I was carrying. We had a good conversation with me explaining that I would think they would want people with a CHL to carry in their bank. He agreed and asked me how to go about getting a license for himself. (He owns a S&W .357.)
Ended up him telling me that my gun and my money were both welcome at his branch anytime.
I agee with Snarlington, (I like the screen name with no explanation needed) , if the sign was correct and legal I would not carry into the bank either. Not in The Lone Star State. (And I am a guy that carries everywhere it is legal, even at home.) Of course I would have no need to carry there because I would move my business elsewhere, after protest.
You guys in the North East are hilarious, it shouldn't be a contest about who has the most relaxed gun laws, (my daddy can whip your daddy). I think most of the gun laws in Texas make sense. I don't much care for the idea that ANYONE can carry a firearm, no permit, no nothing. Vermont I believe? But I don't care for regulations much either.The RKBA is a right reserved for Law Abiding Citizens. Or it should be IMHO.
Ended up him telling me that my gun and my money were both welcome at his branch anytime.
I agee with Snarlington, (I like the screen name with no explanation needed) , if the sign was correct and legal I would not carry into the bank either. Not in The Lone Star State. (And I am a guy that carries everywhere it is legal, even at home.) Of course I would have no need to carry there because I would move my business elsewhere, after protest.
You guys in the North East are hilarious, it shouldn't be a contest about who has the most relaxed gun laws, (my daddy can whip your daddy). I think most of the gun laws in Texas make sense. I don't much care for the idea that ANYONE can carry a firearm, no permit, no nothing. Vermont I believe? But I don't care for regulations much either.The RKBA is a right reserved for Law Abiding Citizens. Or it should be IMHO.
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If you're concealing it, not showing it off, and there are no metal detectors, how will anyone there ever know?
From someone that used to work at a bank:
1. If your assets do not exceed substancal amount, they will just comment that they can "do without" your business. Money talks with banks and they are not making much off your measly $1000's of dollars but are off the major companies that bank with them. If those companies stay even with the sign, you are nothing to them.
2. Many "main" banks are headed in this direction. The reason being is that the tellers and employees "feel better" thinking that guns aren't in the bank (maybe with the exception of the security guard). There is no logical reasoning behind it.
Now, with that said, I would take my money elsewhere, namely, a credit union. With the law being changed it is easier to get into a credit union then it was before. Even if you don't attend a chruch, you can get a pamplet from a local church and say that you attend and that satisfies the law.
Reason for the credit union:
1. Credit Unions are customer owned. When the big banks sit behind closed doors and create policy, credit unions are open to all members to attend these meetings. You have a say in how the credit union is run while with the banks you are nothing and cannot attend the meetings.
2. I've noticed that most to all credit unions do not have any signs (in my state anyway) and don't even try to hint that guns aren't allowed. Some of the major banks are trying to scare off CCW holders by placing no gun signs on the front doors but in this state, those signs aren't worth the paper they are printed on.
One of the reasons that I switched from Wells Fargo to my mom's credit union is due to Wells Fargo put up one of those signs. I explained to the manager that the signs weren't worth the paper they were printed on. He said that they knew that but if they could fool one person from carrying in a gun then it was worth it (see the hint here).
I went to my mom's credit union (for her) and the lady, doing her job, talked to me about coming to the credit union. At the end of her spill I asked her if they honored CCW holders. She went and got the manager and he came out, handed me his CCW permit, and said, well, they employed me didn't they.
Needless to say, I don't bank at Wells Fargo anylonger .
*Oh, he was the one that told me how to become eligible for membership. I wasn't a federal employee, state employee, or any of the other things but I "proved" that I was a church member (and ended up attending that church, go figure) and that was all it took.
1. If your assets do not exceed substancal amount, they will just comment that they can "do without" your business. Money talks with banks and they are not making much off your measly $1000's of dollars but are off the major companies that bank with them. If those companies stay even with the sign, you are nothing to them.
2. Many "main" banks are headed in this direction. The reason being is that the tellers and employees "feel better" thinking that guns aren't in the bank (maybe with the exception of the security guard). There is no logical reasoning behind it.
Now, with that said, I would take my money elsewhere, namely, a credit union. With the law being changed it is easier to get into a credit union then it was before. Even if you don't attend a chruch, you can get a pamplet from a local church and say that you attend and that satisfies the law.
Reason for the credit union:
1. Credit Unions are customer owned. When the big banks sit behind closed doors and create policy, credit unions are open to all members to attend these meetings. You have a say in how the credit union is run while with the banks you are nothing and cannot attend the meetings.
2. I've noticed that most to all credit unions do not have any signs (in my state anyway) and don't even try to hint that guns aren't allowed. Some of the major banks are trying to scare off CCW holders by placing no gun signs on the front doors but in this state, those signs aren't worth the paper they are printed on.
One of the reasons that I switched from Wells Fargo to my mom's credit union is due to Wells Fargo put up one of those signs. I explained to the manager that the signs weren't worth the paper they were printed on. He said that they knew that but if they could fool one person from carrying in a gun then it was worth it (see the hint here).
I went to my mom's credit union (for her) and the lady, doing her job, talked to me about coming to the credit union. At the end of her spill I asked her if they honored CCW holders. She went and got the manager and he came out, handed me his CCW permit, and said, well, they employed me didn't they.
Needless to say, I don't bank at Wells Fargo anylonger
.*Oh, he was the one that told me how to become eligible for membership. I wasn't a federal employee, state employee, or any of the other things but I "proved" that I was a church member (and ended up attending that church, go figure) and that was all it took.
write the Bank a letter.
then post which bank it is here
http://www.texasshooting.com/TexasCHL_Forum/
and here
http://www.tsra.com/
one CHL holder might not get their attention but if all the CHL holders at that bank write a letter and take their business elsewhere that will get their attention.
isa
then post which bank it is here
http://www.texasshooting.com/TexasCHL_Forum/
and here
http://www.tsra.com/
one CHL holder might not get their attention but if all the CHL holders at that bank write a letter and take their business elsewhere that will get their attention.
isa
Erebus
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Write the bank a letter. Explain in the letter all the firearms organizations you are a member of and how you will be making sure to alert them all to the new policy that the bank has. Explain why you an every other law abiding CCW permit holder finds such policies counter productive and generally unsafe. And explain how you and likely every other law abiding CCW permit holder would rather take your business to a bank that allows for a safer environment for doing such business.
If you get no satisfaction from your bank(and you likely won't) then take your business to said safer environment. But if you plant the seed and open someone's eyes to the illogic and counter productiveness of such a prohibition you will have acheived far more than simply getting a sign removed. You will have effected how they think about it and that's the real goal. We don't want to shout down or "defeat" antis. We want to educate them into pros. Some never will because they don't want to regardless of what information you present. Most are merely misinformed and hold incorrect opinions as a result. THose are the ones we need to do our best not to see as enemies or opponents. Many could be allies with proper education.
law abiding CCW permit holder - Yea I know it's redundant, but do they?
If you get no satisfaction from your bank(and you likely won't) then take your business to said safer environment. But if you plant the seed and open someone's eyes to the illogic and counter productiveness of such a prohibition you will have acheived far more than simply getting a sign removed. You will have effected how they think about it and that's the real goal. We don't want to shout down or "defeat" antis. We want to educate them into pros. Some never will because they don't want to regardless of what information you present. Most are merely misinformed and hold incorrect opinions as a result. THose are the ones we need to do our best not to see as enemies or opponents. Many could be allies with proper education.
law abiding CCW permit holder - Yea I know it's redundant, but do they?
Erebus
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Is that a 12 guage in your pocket or are you just happy to see me?
HighVelocity
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I got a free shotgun for opening a checking account once. It was a very long time ago.
Yeah, the carry anyway idea isn't very good. Not only is it trespassing, but it's trespassing while carrying a firearm.
But of course you know that.
I'd complain, but when you really think about it, it seems reasonable. It's private property, they should be allowed to control what comes on to it. And there may be a good reason for it. They may have set off the silent alarm, called police, etc. because a clerk noticed someone had a gun in their waist; all to be nothing.
(lol, but I do like the carry a concealed long-gun idea. I bet one of those underfolding AKs would fit fairly well in a jacket.)
But of course you know that.
I'd complain, but when you really think about it, it seems reasonable. It's private property, they should be allowed to control what comes on to it. And there may be a good reason for it. They may have set off the silent alarm, called police, etc. because a clerk noticed someone had a gun in their waist; all to be nothing.
(lol, but I do like the carry a concealed long-gun idea. I bet one of those underfolding AKs would fit fairly well in a jacket.)
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