My bank posted a "No concealed Handgun" sign, what should I do?

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Pick from the following options as your conscience dictates:

1) Comply with the bank's policy.

2) Move your accounts to another bank that does not (yet) have this policy. Write your letters, blah, blah, blah.

3) Be in non-compliance and continue to CCW in the bank. This option includes being willing to accept the consequences of this choice.

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Should you need to use it inside the bank (a VERY VERY VERY remote possibility), I doubt anyone will mind if you shoot a bankrobber. Maybe I'm wrong.
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I suspect the *banks* would mind you shooting a bank robber. That's why they may have a no CCW policy. It's much simpler for them to give the robber what he/she wants and get them out of the place quickly. Not worth the lawsuits from all the patrons caught in the crossfire between the robbers and the cowboys.

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I think the 2 types of signs you see here in Texas that are official and legal are

30.06
No concealed carry. Period. End of sentence. Unless your a cop or Govt. Agent.

30.05
No UNLICENSED Concealed Carry. Which is pretty dumb and ironic since it makes as much sense as a "Murder is illegal on this premeses!" sign. Unlicense concealed carry is already illegal. Dee dee dee. Man is Carlos Mencia funny. :)

I've seen several grocery stores with the 30.05 sign. A shame all businesses and banks dont use the 30.05 sign. Should give the business enough legal credit for the insurance companies. "Sure we have a sign! 30.05 "
 
You could always carry a rifle... You don't even need to conceal it according to TX law.

Expect to have a nice long talk with the cops. ;)
 
Hawkmoon:

I noticed that some responders suggested a change of banks, assuming that the sign is reflective of your bank's "thinking".

Seems a very good idea.
 
See, what did I tell you? You guys in the North East are just too funny. "Little Minds", how about, "Little Sates are easily abused?" Funny, huh?

Ad hominem, ad hominem, ad hominem. ( http://dictionary.reference.com/ )

You took personal affront to something I said, where I am from, you have a chip on your shoulder, or all of the above. Your comments contributed nothing to the thread. You were trying to show everyone how great your little state is. I won't get in a pi$$ing contest with you, but...........

Do you have driving tests for a driver's license? Or do you just let anyone drive? Doctors? Lawyers? Issue licenses to them? Do you pay state taxes? Do you have laws that goven certain behaviors? When was the last person executed in NH? Traffic laws? Well guess what? You aren't "Free". Some of your laws are different that's all. :neener:

I think the 2nd amendment gives us a right, but just like all of the other rights, we have to earn it. How? Abide by the Law. Just like Snarlington said.

We also have to work to protect it. Look at the bottom of my page, look at my profile. Do you seriously think that I am an "anti"? Which you followed with "You sound like one." Really? And what sir do you think you sound like?

Enough time wasted.
 
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My band posted signs. I talked to bank manager and he agreed and removed signs. (seems the "MN bankers assoc" had a lecture and gave out signs/suggested they put them up)
The other bank I deal with refused. The President is idiot. (ok he always has been but he bought out the bank I used to bank at and I had not transferred out yet) During our talk he got upset when I used example that if robbery happened a CCWP holder would just watch UNLESS people were being hurt/killed or being hauled out with robbers. He stated they (us) should do nothing even if tellers being dragged out. So I said "I know your wife is one of tellers. Do you really want them to take her away?....... YOU do know the likelyhood of her being released unharmed?" Well he blew his stack as it was UNFAIR for me to suggest his WIFE might be one taken.
Signs stay up I took out my money (ok not much) but I got others to remove funds as well (couple HUNDRED THOUSAND dollars) (if they had as much as they claimed)
 
Well he blew his stack as it was UNFAIR for me to suggest his WIFE might be one taken.
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It's his problem if he is willing to pretend that it can't happen. Hopefully it never will as he put himself be in a position to be able to do nothing about it except beg. You explained it to him so he can no longer even blame ignorance. He has chosen to be defenseless. You have done all you can do. If he's going to learn he's going to, unfortunately, learn the hard way now.
 
I agree with the majority here.

Walk in, ask to speak with the manager. Tell them that you will not do business with a bank that prohibits concealed carry and that you will be very vocal in convincing friends and family to avoid doing business with the bank as well. Be calm, polite and to the point. If the manager takes down the sign, thank them and mention them to your friends. If not, thank them for their time and immediately begin the process of canceling your accounts and transferring them to another bank. Then write some letters.
 
Since they have assumed ALL RESPONSIBILITY FOR YOUR PERSONAL SAFETY while on bank property, insist on an armed guard escort from your car, into the bank, and back to your car. I'm about ready to do that to a couple of hospitals here. A friend did that to a mall management company and those signs came down pronto.
 
HUGO: Do you have a TX CHL? No offense intended, but if you do, you need to brush up on TX handgun laws. Snoop around a bit on www.texas.com and you can find all the info.
I copied the section on posting of signs in our state and will print it here. Any other "no guns" sign, unless it is a Federal Sign on Federal Property, is meaningless, (with the exception of the "51" sign indicating that a business derives more than 51% of it's business from the sale of alcohol). When I go to our local Gander Mountain there is a sign that says, "all guns must be checked at customer service." I ignore it as it does not follow the law, which is very specific.

PROHIBITING HANDGUNS IN A BUSINESS OR OTHER ENTITY

In order to provide notice that entry on property by a license holder with a concealed handgun is forbidden, Penal Code Section 30.06(c)(3)(A) requires that a written communication contain the following language:

"PURSUANT TO SECTION 30.06, PENAL CODE (TRESPASS BY HOLDER OF A LICENSE TO CARRY A CONCEALED HANDGUN) A PERSON LICENSED UNDER SUBCHAPTER H, CHAPTER 411, GOVERNMENT CODE (CONCEALED HANDGUN LAW), MAY NOT ENTER THIS PROPERTY WITH A CONCEALED HANDGUN."

"CONFORME A LA SECCIÓN 30.06 DEL CÔDIGO PENAL (TRASPASAR PORTANDO ARMAS DE FUEGO) PERSONAS CON LICENCIA BAJO DEL SUB-CAPITULO H, CAPITULO 411, CODIGO DE GOBIERNO (LEY DE PORTAR ARMAS), NO DEBEN ENTRAR A ESTA PROPIEDAD PORTANDO UN ARMA DE FUEGO."

Download language

Penal Code Section 30.06(c)(3)(B) further states that a sign must meet the following requirements:

includes the language described by Paragraph (A) in both English and Spanish;

appears in contrasting colors with block letters at least one inch in height; and

is displayed in a conspicuous manner clearly visible to the public.
Please note that while the language provided above may be downloaded for convenience, it does not meet the requirements of Section 30.06(c)(3)(B) and may not be used as a sign.

If I see that sign I honor it, or I do not go into that business. It's the law, and I am unwilling to risk never being able to LEGALLY carry a handgun again, much less the other consequences, by breaking it. Some on this thread have suggested ignoring the legal sign. I wouldn't advise it, but it's their business and not mine.
 
Complain first, if they don't do the right thing - take your business elsewhere.
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ditto that. When we got CCW in Ohio in 2004 a number of business decided to post themselves though they were not required by the law. So the OFCC solution was to hand those folks posting a No guns= No $ card. ;)


https://www.ohioccw.org/catalog/pro...d=115&osCsid=2188dcc3428e59e29aac46c182c79ebd

Hit them in the wallet, that wakes them up. We also created a database of do not patronize this business while armed. Plenty of them hate to be on that list.
 
Attention law abiding citizen who has been through a thorough background check: This business does not support the second amendment, or want your business. We don't trust you, or any other law abiding citizen.

Attention Criminals: This sign (or any laws) do not apply to you. Please continue to carry your weapons concealed without a permit or background check like you always do. What we don't know can't hurt us!
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Tape that under their sign.:evil:
 
1wildbill said:
I think the 2nd amendment gives us a right, but just like all of the other rights, we have to earn it. How? Abide by the Law. Just like Snarlington said.
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You seem to be confused.

There is no Constitutional right to operate a motor vehicle on public highways, so comparing concealed carry licenses/permits to drivers licenses is irrelevent.

Secondly, the Constritution does not "give" us a right to keep and bear arms, it affirms that this right is "unalienably" ours. In other words, it is a natural (or God-given), pre-existing right. We do NOT have to earn it -- it is ours, and it is unalienable. Once we accept that the government has the power to require us to have a permit to exercise what is supposed to be a right ... it ceases to be a right and becomes a privilege.
 
One of the reasons that I switched from Wells Fargo to my mom's credit union is due to Wells Fargo put up one of those signs. I explained to the manager that the signs weren't worth the paper they were printed on. He said that they knew that but if they could fool one person from carrying in a gun then it was worth it (see the hint here).
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I think No Guns signs are just fine and dandy. For those in Texas who know the law and have a CHL, they know that unless it is a 30.06 sign, there is no problem. If it keeps the sheeple tellers happy, then so be it. Otherwise, it is about as useful as the other garbage on the door or in the lobby about new lower interest rates.
 
I think No Guns signs are just fine and dandy. For those in Texas who know the law and have a CHL, they know that unless it is a 30.06 sign, there is no problem. If it keeps the sheeple tellers happy, then so be it. Otherwise, it is about as useful as the other garbage on the door or in the lobby about new lower interest rates.
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While I don't live in Texas and don't have to deal with the issue of 30.06 signs, even a sign which does not conform to the legal standards for a posted property stating "No Guns" advertises a company position that you and I are unwelcome. Whether it is legally binding is only relevant if I don't have a choice in whether to patronize the facility.
 
That's okay. In addition to a "no CCW" sign, the branch of the Bank of Lancaster that I have to run to for work from time to time also has a sign built from MS Office clipart taped to the door to the effect of "no sunglasses, no hats, no hoodies, and no packbacks." Paranoia at its finest, I guess. Across the street is a gun store, and next intersection up is a police station.

So, I use the drive through.
 
Well, if it's concealed, then no one will see it.
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not good advice. i am a CHL instructor in Texas and i'll be the first one to tell you that that is terrible advice. if you are caught you will get a UCW by License Holder charge:

Sec. 46.035. UNLAWFUL CARRYING OF HANDGUN BY LICENSE HOLDER. (a) A license holder commits an offense if the license holder carries a handgun on or about the license holder's person under the authority of Subchapter H, Chapter 411, Government Code, and intentionally fails to conceal the handgun.
~ (b) A license holder commits an offense if the license holder intentionally, knowingly, or recklessly carries a handgun under the authority of Subchapter H, Chapter 411, Government Code, regardless of whether the handgun is concealed, on or about the license holder's person:
~ ~ (1) [amended 9/1/97] on the premises of a business that has a permit or license issued under Chapter 25, 28, 32, 69, or 74, Alcoholic Beverage Code, if the business derives 51 percent or more of its income from the sale or service of alcoholic beverages for on-premises consumption, as determined by the Texas Alcoholic Beverage Commission under Section 104.06, Alcoholic Beverage Code;
~ ~ (2) on the premises where a high school, collegiate, or professional sporting event or interscholastic event is taking place, unless the license holder is a participant in the event and a handgun is used in the event;
~ ~ (3) on the premises of a correctional facility;
~ ~ (4) on the premises of a hospital licensed under Chapter 241, Health and Safety Code, or on the premises of a nursing home licensed under Chapter 242, Health and Safety Code, unless the license holder has written authorization of the hospital or nursing home administration, as appropriate;
~ ~ (5) in an amusement park; or
~ ~ (6) on the premises of a church, synagogue, or other established place of religious worship.
~ (c) A license holder commits an offense if the license holder intentionally, knowingly, or recklessly carries a handgun under the authority of Subchapter H, Chapter 411, Government Code, regardless of whether the handgun is concealed, at any meeting of a governmental entity.
~ (d) A license holder commits an offense if, while intoxicated, the license holder carries a handgun under the authority of Subchapter H, Chapter 411, Government Code, regardless of whether the handgun is concealed.
~ (e) A license holder who is licensed as a security officer under the Private Investigators and Private Security Agencies Act (Article 4413(29bb), Vernon's Texas Civil Statutes) and employed as a security officer commits an offense if, while in the course and scope of the security officer's employment, the security officer violates a provision of Subchapter H, Chapter 411, Government Code.
~ (f) In this section:
~ ~ (1) "Amusement park" means a permanent indoor or outdoor facility or park where amusement rides are available for use by the public that is located in a county with a population of more than one million, encompasses at least 75 acres in surface area, is enclosed with access only through controlled entries, is open for operation more than 120 days in each calendar year, and has security guards on the premises at all times. The term does not include any public or private driveway, street, sidewalk or walkway, parking lot, parking garage, or other parking area.
~ ~ (2) "License holder" means a person licensed to carry a handgun under Subchapter H, Chapter 411, Government Code.
~ ~ (3) "Premises" means a building or a portion of a building. The term does not include any public or private driveway, street, sidewalk or walkway, parking lot, parking garage, or other parking area.
~ (g) An offense under Subsection (a), (b), (c), (d), or (e) is a Class A misdemeanor, unless the offense is committed under Subsection (b)(1) or (b)(3), in which event the offense is a felony of the third degree.
~ (h) It is a defense to prosecution under Subsection (a) that the actor, at the time of the commission of the offense, displayed the handgun under circumstances in which the actor would have been justified in the use of deadly force under Chapter 9.
~ (i) [added 9/1/97] Subsections (b)(4), (b)(5), (b)(6), and (c) do not apply if the actor was not given effective notice under Section 30.06.

this equates to a criminal charge, your CHL and firearm immediately being confiscated (and your CHL suspended) even before you are convicted, and a slough of legal problems which equate to a very expensive legal defense.

what you should do, in my opinion, is first see if this 30.06 advisory meets the legal requirements and is posted at every public entrance. if it is not, then the advisory is invalid.

i would advise you either obey the law and/or change banks. another way is if your bank offers a drive-up window or an ATM to use that as much as possible for all transactions, so you never have to set foot in a bank.

personally i hate being inside banks because i have a fear of being caught in the middle of a bank robbery and being either a hostage or a dead hero.

by the way please post the name of the bank so the rest of us know not to bank here.
 
Compliance or not is a personal thing. Personally, I would ignore the sign, and continue about my normal activity. I carried a handgun most places I went for probably 30 years before the great State of Florida awarded me the 'right 'to do so. Thats just me though, and for gods sake, none of the bleeding hearts need chastise me for it. :evil:
 
I don't much care for the idea that ANYONE can carry a firearm, no permit, no nothing. Vermont I believe? But I don't care for regulations much either.The RKBA is a right reserved for Law Abiding Citizens. Or it should be IMHO.
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You don't much care for the idea of the Second Ammendment, do you?

The Second Ammendment is what makes those who keep and bear arms law-abiding. Those who hold a "natural law" view of the Right to Keep and Bear Arms would argue that it is impossible to "reserve" such a right, and that any law which violates the innate RKBA is void. Those who aren't entirely convinced of the natural law view, might still point out that any law in the U.S. which is contrary to the U.S. Constitution is technically de jure void, even if it is de facto law because it is interpreted and enforced as such.

Personally, I haven't tried to press the issue by carrying in a manner which violates the letter of state or federal laws, even if those laws are arguably voided by the Second Ammendment. It hasn't seemed worth it. Maybe I'm a coward, or maybe I'm just picking my battles prudently.

-twency
 
In Amarillo, the Education Federal Credit Union branches just went through a remodelling and they too now have the 30.06 signs posted.

When I called them, they told me that it was the lawyers idea and if I wanted to bring it up at the next shareholders meeting I could.

I would move my business, except for the fact that the only thing that I have at the credit union are loan$$. In reality, I would be hard strapped to move my business, as it would mean paying off all of my loans.

I plan to go the other route, and get the discussion on the agenda for the next meeting.

BTW...our Wells Fargo branches here do NOT post a 30.06 sign.
 
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