My brother changed his mind.....

[748]

What was he worried the gun was going to murder him in his sleep?
Ya I think most semi auto long guns are banned in NY.
Tell him people like him are a gun accident looking for a place to happen.

 

[Ks5shooter]

Some people come around and realize they are sheep during uncertain times. Get him taught well in firearms. One more convert for gun owners.

 

[Speedo66]

I'd be happy finding the crossman. decent bb gun. thered still be a smile on my face when I found that.

Tolls to cross the bridge were about $7 each way at the time, plus gas and my time. So over $20 to get a used BB gun that sells new for about $35 is not that smile provoking. lol

 

[Speedo66]

Just outside NYC should mean Nassau County - what are the legal requirements to buy a gun in Nassau County?

He’s just over the border in Suffolk Co., I don’t know if the laws there are different than the rest of NYS.

At this point I’m not even up to date on NY long gun law after the Safe Act.

 

[Speedo66]

I disagree with mandatory training requirements, but that doesn't necessarily mean I'll jump to recommend a specific type of gun to a newbie, especially one who previously was terrified at the mere sight of one (and likely has a history of supporting efforts to restrict private ownership.)

I think I'd simply tell him what's out there, and remind him that the onus is on him to get whatever knowledge is appropriate for its ownership, storage, and use.

He’s certainly wasn’t pro gun, but not an anti gun activist, either.

I recommended training, but unfortunately, like other people with no knowledge of firearms, he doesn’t realize what he doesn’t know. I’ve only served in the military and LE, why would he listen to me?

Hopefully his Dr. friend has taken some training and will also recommend that. Maybe he’ll listen to him.

 

[kidneyboy]

And why would that be?

It's a red flag question.

 

[FFGColorado]

We are getting folks in wanting to buy a "gun" for protection and they grimmace when they say the word. When they can't produce the Illinois FOID (Illinois firearm owners card) and are told that in four or more months after they get it they can fill out a 4473, undergo a background check, wait three days and then pick up their gun they say, "Hell, I'll just order it online or buy it at a gun show". I face palm and laugh my butt off. Libs.

Liberals with guns..scary...right?

 

[FFGColorado]

Does an 'anti-gun' person buying a gun make them 'pro-gun'?? Really not a zero sum 'game'. Many are either -A-gun, as in neutral, not in their wheelhouse or interest or not a gun lover but still recognize the need for self defense. I think pigeon holing anybody, either with or w/o gun ownership, does a disservice to both groups.
A person who owns a gun isn't a 'gun weirdo' and somebody who doesn't isn't a 'libertard'...

 

[GEM]

Don't care about probing the psyche of a pro or antigunner or the transition.

Tell him to get training as suggested. If we continue with the politics, we close.

 

[CDW4ME]

I know people that don't own a gun, I do not understand being willing to potentially be a unarmed victim.

 

[Steve S.]

Fear and greed; the great human motivators.

 

[cc-hangfire]

I have a much more “libertarian” view of the right to keep & bear arms; I believe that constitutional carry state have it right (even though my state isn’t one). A citizen of the USA who is not otherwise prohibited by law should be able to their firearm with no training requirements.

To a first time shotgun owner, I’d recommend a single barrel or double barrel in 20ga. They have a very simple manual of arms. Limited capacity, but simple. I expect that the OP’s relative wants something more, but that’s his choice.

Yes, practice and training are important, but firearm safety isn’t that complicated - four rules strictly followed will be enough. I’ve taught family & friends firearm safety in an hour. They aren’t proficient shooters, but they handle guns safely.

Any of us can go to the big box hardware store and buy tools, supplies and equipment (power tools, propane bbq, welding equipment, caustic and toxic chemicals) without training. Assembling and operating some of those have been more of a challenge than my shotguns.

This is still America, land of the free. I want every free citizen to be armed.

 

[whughett]

Haven’t read all the posts. Has any one mentioned does the state of New York require training to own a long gun. Does his Long Island community require it. Perhaps not and in this case perhaps also both his doctor friend and he are not really interested in training to use said long guns they merely want a long gun to sit in a closet. These are adults, your brother is an adult give him your preference or opinion on brands and models and move on.

 

[DeepSouth]

I recommended training, but unfortunately, like other people with no knowledge of firearms, he doesn’t realize what he doesn’t know. I’ve only served in the military and LE, why would he listen to me?

Hopefully his Dr. friend has taken some training and will also recommend that. Maybe he’ll listen to him.

maybe a good birthday or Christmas present.

 

[AlexanderA]

Maybe some of these people will now start to think twice about gun control.

 

[WestKentucky]

I’m in a similar situation from a very different angle. My nephew has a huge interest in hunting. His parents aren’t necessarily anti gun, they are scared to have one i the home and are otherwise disinterested. The fear comes from a suicide in the family of my brother in law. So, my sister wants to find a gun for my nephew to hunt with that can be kept at my parents farm where he will hunt... but that means no practice, and I’m 5 hours away in another state. Kind of a bad spot, but the right answer to either is a gun club where they offer basic classes and have a range to stay familiar on, and a locked storage container to keep the gun secure when not in use. Most folks want the gun loaded and beside the bed (OPs brother) where others (my sis) wants the gun unloaded disassembled and locked away with no ammo even in the home.

 

[buck460XVR]

Good luck finding a shotgun right now. Seems a ton of folks have had their eyes opened and radically changed their minds about having a SD/HD firearm. The reasons or the timing of such a change is no reason to ridicule or belittle. We should embrace their change of mind and give them the assistance needed to be safe and responsible gun owners instead of trying to alienate them because of prior mindset. For the most part, the majority of Americans are not politically affiliated with either major party. The new age American is mostly independent and does not straight forward follow any political platform. They have their own priorities and follow the politician/politicians that most closely resemble their own agenda. Probably half the folks I hunt with did not vote Republican last election. All of the wives in our 8 couple card club support a woman's right to abortion, and half of them voted for Trump. This is the new norm. Folks need to keep up with the times.

 

[GEM]

Folks can't stop wandering off the rails. Deleted some.

Closed.