Lee Lapin said:
Now for any student of the "just can't wait to shoot my first scumbag" school of self defense, you have that option. It's your house and your gunfight....And by the way, we still do not endorse blood lust in S&T.
A reading of my posts will show a grab bag of exceptions, cautions, and
repeated acknowledgments that others in other circumstances may have guidelines better suited to their circumstances.
The quoted bits above are, ah,
unexpected and unwelcome considering the rest of the posters in this thread have abstained from personally disparaging remarks.
Lee Lapin said:
There's no need to nitpick. I said what I said, and it's perfectly clear, as indicated above.
No, your point is
not perfectly clear and is made only marginally more clear if one mashes the link you provided, which yields the following bit of ambiguity on the ADEE model:
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IV. AOJ V. ADEE
A. AOJ
<AOJ-related material cut>
B. ADEE
1. A model more appropriate to the non-duty sworn Practitioner who is compelled through necessity to confront a VCA involves avoidance, disengagement escape and evade.
2. This model is useful as a tactical strategy and as a framework through which to describe the objective circumstance that lead to the subjective conclusion that the use of force was necessary.
That's it on that page for ADEE. Plenty of other useful data, but slim ADEE pickings.
After sniffing around on the teddytactical.com site, perhaps you meant to link to this page (
http://www.teddytactical.com/Redesign/Study/2005/03_StudyDay.html) which contains the following bit on ADEE:
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c) ADEE
i) Avoid
(1) Avoidance, General
(a) Stay away from stupid places, where stupid people congregate, doing stupid things.
(2) Avoidance, Specific
(a) Do everything possible to avoid a confrontation with a specific person.
ii) Form a restraining judgment.
(1) The approach of a VCA means he is evaluating your fitness to serve as his target.
(2) You should engage in behavior that encourages him to redefine the circumstances and form a restraining judgment about continuing to see you as a viable target.
(3) This generally, only works in instrumentally motivated VCA.
(4) Remember he may be instrumental/expressive in motivation.
(5) Remember his life long learning pattern and use conduct he will recognize.
(a) Be breath taking in your effrontery.
(b) Ask direct questions designed to give you the information you need to make decisions.
i. 1/ Are you trying to block my way?
ii. 2/ Are you armed?
iii. 3/ anything other than an immediate and direct denial should be taken as a “yes”. Perhaps a qualified “yes”, but a “yes” nonetheless.
(c) Be charming, polite and comfortable in your delivery.
(d) This puts him on notice you recognize him for what he is and are not uncomfortable with the situation.
(e) Anxiety, arrogance and hesitation embolden him.
(f) Relaxed courtesy raises his anxiety and does not give him an excuse to shift to expressive motivation.
(g) If he expresses rage at your questions, remember he is probably looking for an excuse to shift to expressive motivation.
(h) Apologize as you are moving from the area.
(6) Remember this is a negotiation using interactive interpretation.
(7) Each of you is trying to gather information about the other in real-time to decide what the next course of action will be.
(8) Each of you is trying to form a restraining judgment in the other.
(a) His purpose is to lengthen your response time so his action beats your reaction. He is trying to get you to disbelieve the available evidence.
(b) Yours is to keep your action (not reaction) time intact as you gather sufficient information to confirm his intentions. Your action is pre-loaded.
iii) Disengage
(1) Disengagement occurs simultaneously, if possible, with the restraining judgment formation technique.
(2) It is repeated at each stage from then until the action is terminated.
(3) Re-engagement by the VCA is interpreted as evidence of continued intent. It is a fundamental element of establishing necessity.
(4) Be certain your disengagement can be done in relative safety and does not expose you to more danger than you presently face.
iv) Escape
(1) Be aware of the possibility that the initiator VCA has cohorts assisting him.
v) Evade
(1) Vacate the venue.
A fine set of guidelines I find myself in near total agreement with, but
the ADEE model is of very limited applicability to a home defense encounter. Oh, one could try to jam the square home defense peg into the round ADEE hole, but a model predicated on encounters out & about rather than HD is going to show up its inadequacies pretty quickly.(1)
So, I disagree that "...the ADEE model
http://www.teddytactical.com/archive...2_StudyDay.htm is the one we should adopt..." for HD encounters.
Lee Lapin said:
But for anyone to imply that what I said in the quote above was some sort of directive to give away any tactical advantage to the increased peril of yourself and your family by issuing a warning under every circumstance... well, that's every bit as unreasonable AND unfair as to insist that what I said immediately above was an endorsement of murdering anyone who comes through the door.
Maybe so, maybe so, especially if you would include space, distance, construction, location of family relative to goblin, & other circumstances when you write "if there's time."
The use of the word "duty" is then problematic, given your elaboration and further qualification...which answers the very question you posed. ("No, we don;t have a 'duty to warn.'")
For my own part, your post is not the only one I responded to. DogStar seemed not to appreciate the gravity of loss of initiative and the majority of my verbiage addressed this.
(1) Here's a go at "ADEE for HD," giving it the benefit of the doubt and most the breaks.
AVOID
Breakout your wings and get your "white flight" on. More accurately, make low crime rates the primary requirement when seeking one's home, thereby avoiding crime to some extent. Very "Sun Tzu"-like, in that victory is sought before the confrontation and "victory" can be a confrontation avoided. So, the "A" in "ADEE" is of utility for the HD encounter in the sense that it results in a lower likelihood of an encounter.
DISENGAGE
For HD, this will require action/compliance on the part of the intruder. As long as the goblin is in the house/on the property, there is engagement. A show of force or verbal warning on the part of the home owner may suffice to initiate the goblin's disengagement, but this is not something the homeowner can press. It is entirely up to the morale of the goblin. Also, this is assumed home defense, not home offense, where the homeowner chases downthe street after a fleeing goblin. From reading the teddytactical resources, "Disengagement" is an action attempted by the victim. All in all, of limited utility as part of a HD model.
ESCAPE & EVADE
May be an option (or requirement depending on local law) for some, but just about worthless if you have young children. Any ambulatory goblin will outpace a parent or parents moving with young children. Period. E&E portions of model completely inadequate for HD if young children (or movement-impaired adults) are in the mix.
All in all, ADEE is a flawed model for HD and not something I would suggest after gving it some thought.
