Wildalaska
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Spiff your rifle is broke, bring it on down and I will fix it for ya....have it back in say...six months....
WildgimmegimmeAlaska
WildgimmegimmeAlaska
my quest to learn how to use iron sights
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shooting sling
Ceetee, go to (www.fulton-armory.com) then, M1A-M14 FAQ. Then, "How to use the 1907 sling". That should help to clear things up. Remember, AR`s, FAL`s and some other rifles need a "float tube" to avoid POI shift when useing a shooting sling. Regards
Ceetee, go to (www.fulton-armory.com) then, M1A-M14 FAQ. Then, "How to use the 1907 sling". That should help to clear things up. Remember, AR`s, FAL`s and some other rifles need a "float tube" to avoid POI shift when useing a shooting sling. Regards
lmccrock
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Intune,
New glasses might help. My situation: I am nearsighted, about -7.25 diopters. My corrected vision with glasses is ok, but the lens does not hold the exact correction at the corner, where I sight through with rifle sights. There is some loss of focus, even on the front sight, so all I can do is get a general idea of where it is; nothing is in focus, front site, target, nothing. I never tried this, but the optician said he could grind a lens with the optical center on the corner. These would be dedicated shooting glasses.
Just a thought.
Lee
New glasses might help. My situation: I am nearsighted, about -7.25 diopters. My corrected vision with glasses is ok, but the lens does not hold the exact correction at the corner, where I sight through with rifle sights. There is some loss of focus, even on the front sight, so all I can do is get a general idea of where it is; nothing is in focus, front site, target, nothing. I never tried this, but the optician said he could grind a lens with the optical center on the corner. These would be dedicated shooting glasses.
Just a thought.
Lee
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Granted I'm not anywhere in the league of you folks, I was taught to shoot without sights. Don't know what is was with the Mentors I had but that is the way they taught me.
Mentors were Military, had served and this was back when shooting was taught as a part of growing up. One of course was an Uncle I'ved talked about.
I was around six , single shot .22lr ,no sights but with sling. Bolt was removed and I had my fill of "getting strapped in - locked in as one with the gun". Prone laying on scratchy wool blanket, hot summer sun. Heck I wanted to shoot. "Nope not yet" - you ain't got the basics".
Bolt installed, and a fired case in chamber. I would work the bolt and the Gunny would provide the fired case, I'd shut the bolt and before I pulled the trigger, he placed a washer on the bbl...That washer had better not fall off when trigger pulled.
Then he added placing a glass of water , filled almost to the brim...I had better not have that washer fall off the bbl...If my ..."form - you move"...do you know how cold ice water feels when you screw up and that rush of cold hits the nape of neck and shoulder? I do, I even had to find out more than once.
Hot Dang it,we have live ammo! I knew there would be a catch - there was. I had to practice this "form, use of sling, breathing, and ,<expletives>, at home".
Now the gunny had a box with a "vee" notch cut in it , another box about 7 yds in front with a 1" square of masking tape. Remember no sights - yet. So remove the bolt, look through the bolt and see the tape , look down the bbl , and though I knew there was a reason, I didn't really grasp it - yet.
So we finally get to shoot the darn thing. Typical gunnny, range commands, and one poor fellow fired before the command to do so was given. He got to run aorund a bit with his rifle with the bolt removed.
So I had to load and shoot 5 rds without spilling the water on my neck and shoulders and hit the tape. I did.
Targets were extended out and we finally had that water removed, but the form was still stressed.
Later the same type of rifle with sights this time and he drew a picture of what we were supposed to "see". We again removed the bolt and compared the bore sight with the iron sights. Later we repeated with peep sights.
It was amazing that a kid could in fact hit the bottom of a soup can stuck in a box at 20 yds without sights. I managed all 20 rds...somehow.
Granted I'm 48 and my eyes are not what they used to be, but I remember that gunny, that ice water down the nape of my neck "and one bullet at a time, that one bullet may be what saves your life". In that barking, gunny voice.
He was not mean, he was stern and had seen the action in a War, he just wanted to impress upon us the importance of what we were learning. He had a sense of humor , he took care of us kids, but when told the story of only having one bullet and the enemy was close...that one bullet is the reason he is here and not 'still" over there.
We repeated the same dealie with form , breath control, trigger, sights with kneeling, standing. We also repeated without the use of sling.
Maybe that is why I got into shotguns...I could move and no ice water on my neck.
Mentors were Military, had served and this was back when shooting was taught as a part of growing up. One of course was an Uncle I'ved talked about.
I was around six , single shot .22lr ,no sights but with sling. Bolt was removed and I had my fill of "getting strapped in - locked in as one with the gun". Prone laying on scratchy wool blanket, hot summer sun. Heck I wanted to shoot. "Nope not yet" - you ain't got the basics".
Bolt installed, and a fired case in chamber. I would work the bolt and the Gunny would provide the fired case, I'd shut the bolt and before I pulled the trigger, he placed a washer on the bbl...That washer had better not fall off when trigger pulled.
Then he added placing a glass of water , filled almost to the brim...I had better not have that washer fall off the bbl...If my ..."form - you move"...do you know how cold ice water feels when you screw up and that rush of cold hits the nape of neck and shoulder? I do, I even had to find out more than once.
Hot Dang it,we have live ammo! I knew there would be a catch - there was. I had to practice this "form, use of sling, breathing, and ,<expletives>, at home".
Now the gunny had a box with a "vee" notch cut in it , another box about 7 yds in front with a 1" square of masking tape. Remember no sights - yet. So remove the bolt, look through the bolt and see the tape , look down the bbl , and though I knew there was a reason, I didn't really grasp it - yet.
So we finally get to shoot the darn thing. Typical gunnny, range commands, and one poor fellow fired before the command to do so was given. He got to run aorund a bit with his rifle with the bolt removed.
So I had to load and shoot 5 rds without spilling the water on my neck and shoulders and hit the tape. I did.
Targets were extended out and we finally had that water removed, but the form was still stressed.
Later the same type of rifle with sights this time and he drew a picture of what we were supposed to "see". We again removed the bolt and compared the bore sight with the iron sights. Later we repeated with peep sights.
It was amazing that a kid could in fact hit the bottom of a soup can stuck in a box at 20 yds without sights. I managed all 20 rds...somehow.
Granted I'm 48 and my eyes are not what they used to be, but I remember that gunny, that ice water down the nape of my neck "and one bullet at a time, that one bullet may be what saves your life". In that barking, gunny voice.
He was not mean, he was stern and had seen the action in a War, he just wanted to impress upon us the importance of what we were learning. He had a sense of humor , he took care of us kids, but when told the story of only having one bullet and the enemy was close...that one bullet is the reason he is here and not 'still" over there.
We repeated the same dealie with form , breath control, trigger, sights with kneeling, standing. We also repeated without the use of sling.
Maybe that is why I got into shotguns...I could move and no ice water on my neck.
spacemanspiff
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wild, do i get a loaner gun while mine is in shop? you know, like car repair shops sometimes do? i'd like a .30-30 lever gun please.
sm, sometimes i think i need to have an instructor like you had. maybe then i'd unlearn all these bad habits.
sm, sometimes i think i need to have an instructor like you had. maybe then i'd unlearn all these bad habits.
Intune
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Imccrock, thanks, you may be onto something with that solution. I have some real bad nearsightedness and my 'script is about 5 years old. A pair of dedicated shooting glasses may do the trick. I've also heard that those stick-on diopters (think that's what they're called) help with a clearer sight pic. May have to give those a try. 1st step though is to update 'script.
sm
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spacemanspiff ,
There are plenty of instructors , more than willing to help a fella out. All it takes is being honest, willing, and sincereity. Heck they will even "unlearn" in order to "relearn".
About eyes. I was blessed with better than average eyes. Mid forties my eyes started changing...or my arms got shorter...either way reading was difficult. Couldn't find an "arm stretcher" went to relative whom is an Eye Doc and Eye Surgeon - whom is also a shooter.
Makes a difference to go to Eye Doc that is a shooter IMO. I've sent folks to him and "Wow!" The considerations make a difference. Type of shooting you do, ( shotguns, (rifle scoped/irons), bullseye, ...etc).
Another nice thing is my relative is not really into "just making a buck". Many a time a suggestion like buying the stick on magnifiers on existing Sunglasses for instance allows someone to use what they have and save some monies. I don't have link , but these are static stick, removable and IIRC 3 prs for $18. One fellow just stuck on of these on dominate eye lens of shooting glasses, a bit high on lens and can see his iron sights. These come in a variety of strengths.
EDIT:
I did a quick search, I swear one can find these for less money. Maybe even local at a Opital shop, or a Nat'l Franchise. This link will give you an idea of what I'm referring to. Oh great for carpentry work...you know when the darn bi-focal is in the wrong spot...just stick these higher on glasses. Cheating, but works.
http://www.readingglassworld.com/products.asp?prodID=277
Sun Reader
OPTX 20/20 Reading Lenses
There are plenty of instructors , more than willing to help a fella out. All it takes is being honest, willing, and sincereity. Heck they will even "unlearn" in order to "relearn".
About eyes. I was blessed with better than average eyes. Mid forties my eyes started changing...or my arms got shorter...either way reading was difficult. Couldn't find an "arm stretcher" went to relative whom is an Eye Doc and Eye Surgeon - whom is also a shooter.
Makes a difference to go to Eye Doc that is a shooter IMO. I've sent folks to him and "Wow!" The considerations make a difference. Type of shooting you do, ( shotguns, (rifle scoped/irons), bullseye, ...etc).
Another nice thing is my relative is not really into "just making a buck". Many a time a suggestion like buying the stick on magnifiers on existing Sunglasses for instance allows someone to use what they have and save some monies. I don't have link , but these are static stick, removable and IIRC 3 prs for $18. One fellow just stuck on of these on dominate eye lens of shooting glasses, a bit high on lens and can see his iron sights. These come in a variety of strengths.
EDIT:
I did a quick search, I swear one can find these for less money. Maybe even local at a Opital shop, or a Nat'l Franchise. This link will give you an idea of what I'm referring to. Oh great for carpentry work...you know when the darn bi-focal is in the wrong spot...just stick these higher on glasses. Cheating, but works.
http://www.readingglassworld.com/products.asp?prodID=277
Sun Reader
OPTX 20/20 Reading Lenses
30Cal
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Not familiar w/ the M98 sights and sling but...
Do some looking around and find out how to get into a sling supported position. If you can get your left hand up into the forward sling swivel (may need a glove of some sort to keep from getting your hand mauled) and use a tight sling, your left arm will take up a good portion of the recoil. This will help keep you from developing bad habits. Plus, it can be almost as stable as a sandbagged benchrest with almost no effort on your part.
Dry fire at home. Sight picture and squeeze. Front sight is all you should be focusing on. Pay attention and make sure you're not switching your focus back and forth between the front sight and the target. Front sight only. Pick a hold that suits you--six o'clock, center or whatever.
Lastly, try BLACKENING your front sight with candle soot. I think you'll like the results.
Ty
Do some looking around and find out how to get into a sling supported position. If you can get your left hand up into the forward sling swivel (may need a glove of some sort to keep from getting your hand mauled) and use a tight sling, your left arm will take up a good portion of the recoil. This will help keep you from developing bad habits. Plus, it can be almost as stable as a sandbagged benchrest with almost no effort on your part.
Dry fire at home. Sight picture and squeeze. Front sight is all you should be focusing on. Pay attention and make sure you're not switching your focus back and forth between the front sight and the target. Front sight only. Pick a hold that suits you--six o'clock, center or whatever.
Lastly, try BLACKENING your front sight with candle soot. I think you'll like the results.
Ty
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