My range lit on fire!!!

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Chairman Meow

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So I was up at the Holladay gun club yesterday to shoot my new Kimber. I was alone on the 25/50 yard range just practicing presentation and trying out a new box of reloads. This range is off to the far north end of the club and I could hear someone south of me shooting a full auto. They were only shooting little bursts, 10 or 15 rounds at the most. I didn't think much of it until I smelled smoke, looked up and saw the hillside going up in flames.

This range sits at the edge of the Salt Lake valley in the foothills, which are very dry this year, and this fire was moving uphill fast. I cleared my .45, secured it in my vehicle, and ran over to the other end of the range. I work as a programmer / engineer for the Forest Service and as a formality I have to have my wildland firefighter certification, though I have never actually used it outside of training fires. I was thinking aww crap, the news is going to run some damn story about how gun owners lit the whole Wasatch front on fire and then they're gonna close my range. Fan-frickin-tastic. So I made sure the range was closed and grabbed a shovel and started running up along side the fire. I was hoping to get in front of it to dig a line before it got too big, but that hill is STEEP it had already run a hundred yards up the hill. There was no way I was going to catch the top of it, and even if I could it was to big to be uphill of for safety reasons. A couple other guys and I placed lines all the way up the left edge of the fire to keep it from spreading north, but it started taking off diagonally up and left up a second draw, so I ran up there and started a line. After another 100 yards of line I had managed to get that finger of the fire out but the middle finger was running hard and had engulfed about 20 acres at that point. I had been going full steam for nearly an hour and a half and man was I tired.

County fire had arrived and was dragging hose up the hill so I went around them through the black and put out some spots on the other side before heading back down the hill to my truck. I was covered in soot and rather pissed about my day of shooting being ruined. I was thinking that the guys with the full auto (who incidentally did NOTHING to help me fight the fire) were probably using tracers which are illegal in Utah for what is obviously a very good reason. I went and talked to the sherriff and he said he checked out the tax stamps and ammo and it was all legit, just a stray spray of bullets sparked on some rocks or something. In all the excitement I had locked my keys in the damn truck so I had to call my girlfriend and get her to come let me in. On top of that, I melted part of my new Safariland holster, ruined my favorite jeans, got blisters all over my hands from digging with no gloves, and inhaled enough smoke that I have been coughing ever since and think I am now getting sick.

There had been news choppers circling so I figured there would be something on the news about it but there wasn't. I guess that means that county fire got it out before it got very big.

Moral of the story: Thats what I get for skipping out of the office early on a Friday to go shooting. :rolleyes:
 
Well, this might be a bit tough to swallow, but look on the bright side. Apparently nobody got hurt. The fire didn't get out of control. You got a chance to show the girlfriend what a hero you are :D .
 
Heck, Chairman Meow! This is AMERICA! There's GOT to be someone you could sue for medical bills! :D

stellarpod
 
Hey man...

Forget the litigation. I'm PROUD to be on the same forum as you! You saw something which needed to be done, and you had the 'NADs to act. The guys who started the fire just stood there with their thumbs in their ***'s. YOU had the courage to act and clean up their mess. The only other thing you should have done is to relieve them of their firearms and kick their ***'s.

KR
 
Try sending your holster off to Safariland. Include the story about what happened and what you did. Who knows? They might send you a new holster!

Semper Fi
 
Excellent job! Something to be proud of.

I have to admit (sheepishly too) that if I had seen the fire, I would have called the fire dept, and probably had to have stood there and watched it burn...I have no idea what to do about a fire. Digging trenches around it is a good idea...but I don't have a shovel in the Jeep.

So, is the saying now "A bad day putting out a fire at the range is better than a good day at the office?"
 
Good job!

Too bad you didn't have some protective gear in your vehicle, but I don't suppose the FS supplies you with stuff unless you gou out on one of THEIR fires.

I'm almost surprised you did anything, just because all the FF training tells you not to be out there without all the gear ... helmet, clothes, gloves, goggles, fire shelter, etc.
 
Chairman Meow,

That's my home range too- I saw the smoke Friday while driving home on the west side belt (10 miles away) and I figured it must have started in the way you mentioned. Yes, it looks like County managed to put it out fast. I eyeballed it as a total of about five acres going up the hill.

But I am filled with admiration at your initiative.

What really bothers me is that yesterday, Saturday, the day after the fire, a large group of six or seven was back in that same far East bay with class 3 weapons from MP5's to full-auto .308's... and sure enough, there were impact puffs going up and down the now-scorched hill, not to mentions bits of jacket and rock bouncing all the way into the 15 yard range next door.

Yes I talked to them about it, but all I got was a hostile glare. Some people won't be happy until that range is shut down, I suspect.

All you need for a class 3 is a tax stamp and a clean background. It seems brains are not required.

(Not intended toward anyone but the group in question, of course.)
 
Congratulations and a big Thank you. Folk like you are the real heros in my book. Been out on fires just like that and it takes real guts to do what you did.

Again, thanks. It's an honor to find folk like you.
 
Thanks guys. I think I will keep the Safariland the way it is as a battle scar. It's still totally functional.

The rock in that area is mostly quartz, and it sparks if you hit it with steel. Could it be that they were using steel core bullets? If so, perhaps the range could make a policy against them. Don't the M855 and SS109 rounds have a steel penetrator tip? I think that might just be the culprit in this case.

I was also thinking that every year we could get a bunch of members together, go up and place a fire line about 25 yards up the hill. We could even make it permanent by using some herbicides to kill the grass for good. If we could get about 10 or 15 guys together we could do the whole thing in an hour or so. I could even get some Forest Service guys I know to come help out. Maybe next spring I'll start a post about it and try to rally the troops. This is not the kind of press the gun community needs right now, especially with the AWB issue coming up.
 
"Moral of the story: Thats what I get for skipping out of the office early on a Friday to go shooting. "

The real moral of the story is that the range was lucky to have you there. You did your part in fighting the fire, and I hope that the coughing will go away soon.
 
:) Three cheers!. You qualify as a HERO...thats an ordinary guy, in an extraordinary situation that can keep his head together and ACT!
Congratulations. you 'da man! we're glad to know you. :D
Mark.
 
I have just returned from the range.

Found out how the fire started. :fire:

It was a group of people which included the local public business figure "Dan the Laptop Man", obnoxious radio advert pitchman and apparent business partner of the uber obnoxious "Super Dell", owner of Totally Awesome Guns (and computers), shooting class 3 weapons. I have seen this group shooting twice before up there. Once, in June, it was in a prohibited area for class 3 fire (the 10-yard West range). The reason it's prohibited there is the presence of metal target stands.

"Spray and pray" seems to be the order of the day, both times I have seen them shooting.

There does not appear to be any evidence regarding CM's earlier comment regarding the possibility of tracers being used.

The local sheriff's department supposedly called it "an accident" and after checking all the paperwork, pronounced the group clean.

The club might be billed by the county for the fire. The bill could run into the thousands. :cuss:

This following item is very annoying in regard to that fire: From the Saturday Salt Lake Tribune, contained in a story about another fire. It's annoying because there are no metal posts on the east range where the group was shooting !

Meanwhile, a bullet ricocheting off a metal post near a Holladay Gun Club target may have sparked a 10 acre blaze that took crews nearly three hours to suppress Friday. The field fire swirled up the benches above 6400 S. Wasatch Blvd. just after 4 p.m., according to Salt Lake County Fire Capt. Jay Ziolkowski, who said 15 county firemen and four U.S. Forest Service workers remained on scene to check hot spots. There were no injuries and no structures threatened, Ziolkowski said.

IMHO, if this group 'fessed up to sparking the blaze, which they apparently did, and the club gets billed by the county, then the shooters should reimburse the club. Just IMHO.
 
Meow if i was you i'd go see a doctor and get a blood test for lead levels. the grass on that back stop has been drinking water from dirt with ALOT of lead in it. and that lead went up in smoke into your lungs.


Good Job btw!
 
Trempel - my cough has subsided and I feel fine today, thanks.

kernal_panic - Now you got me worried about my health! :uhoh: Lead? Eeek! I am thinking that I was far enough up the hill that I was away from most of that, but you are right there is an awful lot of lead in them thar hills. Is there a doc on this forum?

Archer - Sounds like we got a problem with them computer nerds. It's one thing for them to annoy the hell out of me with their advertisements, but it's another thing all together to light my favorite range on fire. I think if the gun club gets stuck with the bill we should let those guys know and ask them to at least help pay for it. They could have put the fire out when it first started! They had to have seen it! AAARRRGH! :fire:

I drove out today past Big Cottonwood and then turned around and headed back north so I could see the damage and the fire went all the way to the top of that first ridge. I think the paper said it ended up being 10 acres. From my experience with the fire community I can tell you that putting that fire out was not cheap by any means. I would say that 10k would be a low end estimate as there were over a dozen fire fighters, a couple trucks and a few medic wagons present. The bill is already in the thousands when they arrive so I can only imagine. This could be bad for the club. I get the impression it is more or less a non-profit venture. I'd be surprised if they break even but I don't know for sure. Unfortunately, if Dan the Laptop Man wasn't breaking any club rules then there is no way for him to get stuck with the bill, right? Any lawyers have a thought on the subject?
 
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