My S & W Model 10 project
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Hi Sleazy Rider,
You know, that old 'Self Loading' H&R is so honest and charming, and Bad-Boy earnest in it's way...and that scar is a part of 'who' it is...it's history and uniqueness...authenicity...presence...
I'd say, leave it be...it's really very cool...it had some Bad A**, 'Other Side of the Tracks' phase in 1941 or 1954, or '34...or who knows when...but long ago, anyway...
Like a Horse or Car that got stolen, and had adventures...and was returned to 'this' side of the Law...
And how many of us will ever have an interesting old Gun with a ground-off or scratched-off Serial Number, and a Letter, blessing it, from the State Police?
Not many!
That is so cool...
I really like that little 'H&R'...
I would not change a thing on it...
Phil
You know, that old 'Self Loading' H&R is so honest and charming, and Bad-Boy earnest in it's way...and that scar is a part of 'who' it is...it's history and uniqueness...authenicity...presence...
I'd say, leave it be...it's really very cool...it had some Bad A**, 'Other Side of the Tracks' phase in 1941 or 1954, or '34...or who knows when...but long ago, anyway...
Like a Horse or Car that got stolen, and had adventures...and was returned to 'this' side of the Law...
And how many of us will ever have an interesting old Gun with a ground-off or scratched-off Serial Number, and a Letter, blessing it, from the State Police?
Not many!
That is so cool...
I really like that little 'H&R'...
I would not change a thing on it...
Phil
BCRider
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Sleazy, Phil makes a good point. But I also see the other side about "healing" an abused gun or any other mechanical object that catches my intrest.
And your pictures are so large because you didn't edit them down in size before posting the which ever hosting service you're using. You need to use a resizing service in whichever image program youre using.
Phil, before you even attempt the cross cut I'd suggest getting a hunk of scrap steel and shape it to be roughly the curve of the backstroap both ways. Once you've got that then use that as a guinea pig to try the second cut. I think you'll find that to get nice looking checkering the cross cuts need to be very accurate in duplicating the same depth of cut and match the complement of the first cut's angle to attain the proper look. This second cut will be far more fussy than the first because it'll be an interrupted cut due to the crossing of the file over the first lines at an angle.
And your pictures are so large because you didn't edit them down in size before posting the which ever hosting service you're using. You need to use a resizing service in whichever image program youre using.
Phil, before you even attempt the cross cut I'd suggest getting a hunk of scrap steel and shape it to be roughly the curve of the backstroap both ways. Once you've got that then use that as a guinea pig to try the second cut. I think you'll find that to get nice looking checkering the cross cuts need to be very accurate in duplicating the same depth of cut and match the complement of the first cut's angle to attain the proper look. This second cut will be far more fussy than the first because it'll be an interrupted cut due to the crossing of the file over the first lines at an angle.
Hi BCRider,
Understood...makes sense...yes...
As it is, I really am liking the asymetry of the present-phase close-parallel diagonal lines...they feel good in the hand, they look good to me, and are interesting for being unusual.
I'm thinking to finish them up as diagonal lines, and not doing the second phase for it to become true 'Diamond Chekering'.
I'm not trying to avoid a more difficult phase...Lol...but, I just really like them being this way, for this Revolver.
Too...I will do more or further fairly basic Revolver 'projects' as time goes bye...and, a foray into true, Diamond Checkered Bakstrap Checkering will be a definite aspiration...and a plan, for sure...for at least one of them
Originally, I had wanted to Checker the Hammer-top...but, having carried, fondled, handled and worked on, and dry fired and shot it some now, I'm satisfied with the plain roundish smooth Hamnmer-top it has...I can manage cocking or letting-down, for Single Action, just fine, as-is...
...and, somehow, all-in-all, things feel like 'enough' and 'just right' on this Revolver where it is now...
Seeking small, new, crisp, '60' degree Files presently...
Phil
lv
Understood...makes sense...yes...
As it is, I really am liking the asymetry of the present-phase close-parallel diagonal lines...they feel good in the hand, they look good to me, and are interesting for being unusual.
I'm thinking to finish them up as diagonal lines, and not doing the second phase for it to become true 'Diamond Chekering'.
I'm not trying to avoid a more difficult phase...Lol...but, I just really like them being this way, for this Revolver.
Too...I will do more or further fairly basic Revolver 'projects' as time goes bye...and, a foray into true, Diamond Checkered Bakstrap Checkering will be a definite aspiration...and a plan, for sure...for at least one of them
Originally, I had wanted to Checker the Hammer-top...but, having carried, fondled, handled and worked on, and dry fired and shot it some now, I'm satisfied with the plain roundish smooth Hamnmer-top it has...I can manage cocking or letting-down, for Single Action, just fine, as-is...
...and, somehow, all-in-all, things feel like 'enough' and 'just right' on this Revolver where it is now...
Seeking small, new, crisp, '60' degree Files presently...
Phil
lv
thesecond
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Thanks for sharing, Phil, very cool. (One of the best revolver threads I've seen this year.)
madcratebuilder
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MOS=Military occupation specialty.
Anyway...visited the Machinst..showed him my resolution, and, how now, he's off-the hook for having to replace the Barrel and have another Smith install it on his dime...and, he barely glanced at it, saying, only..."No problem"...
I felt really offended at this point, by his profound dis-affection in the face of such sheer Good Will, so, I'll have nothing more to do with him.
Otherwise...Work and other obliges have been very heavy...no spare hours for the Model 10 presently...
But...remaining to be done...are to finish up the Backstrap 'Lines'...make a proper Mandril-Pilot for really stabilizing the Muzzle-end Cutter...finish the cut and have it be a good 90 degrees...finish fitting the Stocks...and see how it 'prints' then...
Once having a true "90" Muzzle-end...I can see how it prints, and, adust the Sight accordingly.
I felt really offended at this point, by his profound dis-affection in the face of such sheer Good Will, so, I'll have nothing more to do with him.
Otherwise...Work and other obliges have been very heavy...no spare hours for the Model 10 presently...
But...remaining to be done...are to finish up the Backstrap 'Lines'...make a proper Mandril-Pilot for really stabilizing the Muzzle-end Cutter...finish the cut and have it be a good 90 degrees...finish fitting the Stocks...and see how it 'prints' then...
Once having a true "90" Muzzle-end...I can see how it prints, and, adust the Sight accordingly.
Deltaboy1984
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Looking good so far keep us posted when you get a chance to work on it some more.
Well...got a little time in this evening...
Finished fitting the Stocks.
The short little 'wedge' I'd sawn off of the rear bottom backstrap area...
...heating it, I crudely forged it into a much longer tapering curved piece, amply wide enough to become a Spur for the Middle Finger, for being Welded on to the mid-bottom of the Trigger Bow...as an idea which was on my mind today.
Mocking other things up in that spot in experiment, a little 'Spur' there actually allows a far firmer grip and a more comfortable one...so...
The only Revolver I've ever seen this on, is the old S&W 'Russian'...but, it sure seems like it'd be a nice feature to have...so...
I might just finish up the little Spur to about 90 percent, get it welded on, finish shaping it...and see for sure in going Shooting, how it seems.
Oherwise...got some Brass Rod...and need to make a proper, steady, long, Bore Diameter Pilot for the old Counterbore I'd re-ground, for seeing if I can get a real "90" across the rounded muzzle end...
Pretty well finished up the Backstrap 'Lines'...other than the undecided top area.
The way that Light plays on these lines, in real Life while Cutting-Filing them, and, in any images, is very deceptive...it's really funny how gleaming 'sides' or Fleams, appear to be flat 'tops' or other optical illusions...oye...
Thinking to 'Rust Blue' this Revolver, once I'm done fussing with it...
Phil
Lv
Finished fitting the Stocks.
The short little 'wedge' I'd sawn off of the rear bottom backstrap area...
...heating it, I crudely forged it into a much longer tapering curved piece, amply wide enough to become a Spur for the Middle Finger, for being Welded on to the mid-bottom of the Trigger Bow...as an idea which was on my mind today.
Mocking other things up in that spot in experiment, a little 'Spur' there actually allows a far firmer grip and a more comfortable one...so...
The only Revolver I've ever seen this on, is the old S&W 'Russian'...but, it sure seems like it'd be a nice feature to have...so...
I might just finish up the little Spur to about 90 percent, get it welded on, finish shaping it...and see for sure in going Shooting, how it seems.
Oherwise...got some Brass Rod...and need to make a proper, steady, long, Bore Diameter Pilot for the old Counterbore I'd re-ground, for seeing if I can get a real "90" across the rounded muzzle end...
Pretty well finished up the Backstrap 'Lines'...other than the undecided top area.
The way that Light plays on these lines, in real Life while Cutting-Filing them, and, in any images, is very deceptive...it's really funny how gleaming 'sides' or Fleams, appear to be flat 'tops' or other optical illusions...oye...
Thinking to 'Rust Blue' this Revolver, once I'm done fussing with it...
Phil
Lv
I seem to remember seeing something like this somewhere before. Can't remember where. I think there were Polish Gypsies and drunken Greyhounds eating grapes involved.
This project could go on, and on, and on, and on, and on, and on, and on, and on, and on.............
Just whack the damn trigger guard!!!!!! I can't take it any longer!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
This project could go on, and on, and on, and on, and on, and on, and on, and on, and on.............
Just whack the damn trigger guard!!!!!! I can't take it any longer!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
SleazyRider
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Wait a minute ... I thought the idea behind bobbing the hammer spur and rounding the butt was to make the gun snag-free. Wouldn't adding a spur to the bottom of the trigger guard be counter productive to this goal? I'm not trying to be critical; just trying to understand. This is all new to me. 
Brian Williams
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Nice work so far, but canc the finger spur.
Lol...
The irony...is I have now realized, that a Trigger-Guard 'Spur' is a vast improvement for having a sure and really powerful grip...yet, it would look
'odd' indeed, and invite people who have never experienced it, to make fun of it or roll their eyes, or turn immediately 'off' to it, for no 'reason' other than it seems unusual or outlandish, or would embarass standard Holsters.
But, whether I do it or not, I've learned some important things in considering it.
"No"...a short curved 'Spur' under the Trigger Bow, would not in any way occasion any snags or catches when drawing...
Rather, I'm confident, it would allow a more sure, hard grasp or grip, when drawing and having to fire accurately in haste.
Originally, prospecively, I had thought to have an 'open' Trigger Bow, for when wearing sturdy Leather Gloves in Motorcycle riding or outdoor Winter chores.
The Model 10, being a Mid-Sized Frame, it turns out that the Bow seems 'Okay' (not great, but,'Okay') to me as-is, as far as the Glove issue is concerned.
An S & W 'J-Frame', or, an older Colt 'Police Positive', the Bow is absolutely too small to admit a medium-weight Leather Work Glove or Riding Glove Finger very readily, and, hence, for me anyway, those Revolvers would be modified to be 'open' Bow, if they were intended to be Carried when Riding or doing out-door Winter things.
I like the look of an 'open' Bow, and I like it's funtion...so it's still possible I will opt for it.
I am definiely intrigued and feeling very 'positive' about a small 'Spur'...having clamped on a little trial 'nub' to the bottom of the Bow, I have never felt a more sure, rock-solid, 'Natural' grasp on any Revolver...it's a World of difference...so...I'm brooding on that...
Never seen it done...never heard of it being done, and the only similar thing I ever saw, was the old, and rather dis-similar otherwise, S & W 'Russian' Models.
If I did that, then the Bow would fairly likely stay as-is and not be 'open'.
The irony...is I have now realized, that a Trigger-Guard 'Spur' is a vast improvement for having a sure and really powerful grip...yet, it would look
'odd' indeed, and invite people who have never experienced it, to make fun of it or roll their eyes, or turn immediately 'off' to it, for no 'reason' other than it seems unusual or outlandish, or would embarass standard Holsters.
But, whether I do it or not, I've learned some important things in considering it.
"No"...a short curved 'Spur' under the Trigger Bow, would not in any way occasion any snags or catches when drawing...
Rather, I'm confident, it would allow a more sure, hard grasp or grip, when drawing and having to fire accurately in haste.
Originally, prospecively, I had thought to have an 'open' Trigger Bow, for when wearing sturdy Leather Gloves in Motorcycle riding or outdoor Winter chores.
The Model 10, being a Mid-Sized Frame, it turns out that the Bow seems 'Okay' (not great, but,'Okay') to me as-is, as far as the Glove issue is concerned.
An S & W 'J-Frame', or, an older Colt 'Police Positive', the Bow is absolutely too small to admit a medium-weight Leather Work Glove or Riding Glove Finger very readily, and, hence, for me anyway, those Revolvers would be modified to be 'open' Bow, if they were intended to be Carried when Riding or doing out-door Winter things.
I like the look of an 'open' Bow, and I like it's funtion...so it's still possible I will opt for it.
I am definiely intrigued and feeling very 'positive' about a small 'Spur'...having clamped on a little trial 'nub' to the bottom of the Bow, I have never felt a more sure, rock-solid, 'Natural' grasp on any Revolver...it's a World of difference...so...I'm brooding on that...
Never seen it done...never heard of it being done, and the only similar thing I ever saw, was the old, and rather dis-similar otherwise, S & W 'Russian' Models.
If I did that, then the Bow would fairly likely stay as-is and not be 'open'.
opr1945
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last date is July 3d. WHAT HAPPENED. Spent all this time reading and someone removed the last chapter! did the butler do it?
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