My Single Action Buying Spree With Questions

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Recently I decided I was missing something in my gun collection. For me that has been fun. 1911 style guns stopped being fun to me once I got a gun (Les Baer) that was as accurate as I could have wanted and felt I had mastered. The same could be said of Glocks. I still carry one in my job but for me it is a tool now. Frankly I've owned just about every style or brand of firearm that ever interested me with the exception of one and that is a single action style revolver. I did have a Ruger Vaquero in 44 magnum when it first came out but got rid of it quickly as it just didn't feel right to me. Recently reading about the Ruger New style grip frame and how improved it is plus remembering how much fun I used to have shooting an old Heritage single action .22 a friend of mine used to bring fishing got me thinking. So here is how I've ended up buying 4 single action guns in a few weeks when I only meant 2 at most. :)

I've included a Glock 17 in all photos for the purpose of scale. Also in my state law enforcement officers certified in their job to carry a gun are not required to have a permit to purchase so I have been able to buy guns on the spot which may not be a good thing for a person that likes guns. :)

1. I first was on a day off shopping for antiques when I noticed a gun store and decided to just look around. I found a Heritage Rough Rider with both the .22lr and .22 magnum cylinders, birds head cocobolo grip, and black satin finish. It felt good in my hand and was so cheap I just couldn't resist.

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It shoots much better than I expected. I haven't used the magnum cylinder yet but with 22lr it is fairly accurate and with 22 Remington Golden Bullet shorts it is consistently under a half inch out to 15 yards handheld. The cylinder has an uneven gap. It doesn't bind but it's around .001 at the bottom and .005 at the top. I was going to contact Heritage about it but it is so accurate I don't think I want them to mess with it any.

2. A few days after I got it I carried it to a local range/gun store. In their display were multiple Uberti single action revolvers. I thought the Cattleman line was the bargain out of all of them so I went ahead and bought one in 45 Long Colt with a 4.75" barrel and walnut grips that same day.

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Frankly I was instantly amazed at the accuracy, the excellent trigger, and how gentle the recoil was of it even with a full power load. I've already ordered a holster for it intending to use it as a concealed carry piece.

3. Just yesterday I made a special trip. Someone had mentioned about the reliability of Ruger's vs. the Uberti clones. I'm still researching that but I figured I'd look around at what was available online. I found someone in my state with a Talo Distributer special that seemed like a perfect concealed carry piece for those times I wanted something just a bit smaller than the Cattleman. A Ruger in stainless steel with the birdshead grip frame, 3.75" barrel, slim grips, and in 45 acp only! I'm a big believer in the 45 acp round and have amassed a huge collection of 45 acp ammo over the decades. I have no problem with the recoil of the 45 Colt round and if a four legged predator is a possibility then I actually prefer it but for the two legged variety I have faith in the 45 acp as long as it launched from an accurate gun. I haven't had a chance to take this one to the range yet but I have a large enough selection of ammo that I have high hopes in finding atleast one load that it likes. Once I'm sure of the accuracy I'll order leather for it.

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4. While looking around in the same store I noticed a gun I had read about but hadn't had a chance to actually handle yet. An Uberti Old West Defense revolver in .38 special (built on the 22lr frame), birdshead grip, and with a 3.5" barrel. They had only one and it was used. I've never been a big fan of buying used guns but decided I might as well handle it while I was there. The gun is flawless. It became very apparant that whoever had it hadn't shot it much. The base pin was still tight (almost too tight for my tastes) and the finish was perfect (not even one tiny drag mark on the cylinder). For close to $150 off the price of brand new I couldn't pass it up. I haven't shot it yet either of course but have high hopes for it also.

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Now my questions.
1. Does anyone know the exact number of Vaqueros like I have in 45acp only that Talo's aquired? I've seen 4 different answers so far and not one seemed to speak with authority. In the end I may have to contact Talo's just for an answer it seems.
2. The Old West Defense revolver has been modified in one way. It is supposed to have a two position base pin but has been ground off so it now now longer functions as a safety in the second position. This was obviously done by a gunsmith as it is perfectly flush. Although I prefer a one position pin I would like to have a two position pin in case I ever decide to sell the gun one day. Does anyone know a source for this or if Uberti can be contacted directly for one?
 
Wow! When you say you went on a Single Action buying spree, you weren't kidding! You've done very well in your selections; especially with the Ruger and Uberti birdshead grip models. Can't help you with the Talo build numbers so your probably better off contacting Talo or Ruger for that information. Ubertis website shows that Stoeger Industries is the current importer so you have to check to see if they were the importer of your gun. If not then I would contact the importer who did bring in your gun and see what they say about getting the correct base pin.

Good luck with your efforts and enjoy your new Single Actions.
 
As long as you never lower the hammer from the half cock notch, your little Uberti should never have the dreaded cylinder ring.

I wouldn't worry about the basepin one tiny little bit.
 
When you go overboard you really do jump in at the deep end with bricks on both feet ! ! ! ! :D

I would not even give that short base pin a second thought. Likey the owner liked the idea of the pin seating in further for a cleaner look. And it certainly did the job as it looks neat and tidy. As for the idea of using it as a safety I'd suggest you simply go with the classic method of "load one, skip one, load four". Following which you go to full cock to move the empty chamber to under the hammer and then lower the hammer on that empty chamber. Then, if you should need it, the gun is ready to shoot simply by cocking the hammer instead of fumbling around with a base pin latch and base pin.

I'm particularly taken with the Old West Defense gun as a compact and trim looking shooter. If you are the sort which would carry a single action daily then this could be a great option for when you want something a little more trim and light.
 
NICE SPREE. I'm looking for a Ruger Birds head. I've not seen one in person yet, but would like to know how that grip feels. I have a 45 LC Vaquero, stainless, 5.5" barrel, and the XR3 grip pokes me in the palm. Maybe I should have bought a bisley.
I don't know the numbers of the Talo 45 LC vs 45 ACP. I'm not sure anyone would. I've seen a few Talo birds heads online in 45 colt, but without being able to put my hands on one, I've resisted.
 
Wow!
Wish I had the financial security to pick up whatever struck my fancy!

I too have the Ruger Birdshead in 45 ACP, and love it!

I am going shooting with mine tomorrow, and hope to get some photos to post on this forum.

Been carrying mine in a D.M. Bullard Bodyguard holster....
Also going to pick up a Mernickle concealed carry holster for it.

Don't know how many of the Birdsheads were made for TALO....
 
As long as you never lower the hammer from the half cock notch
What he said.

With any traditional SAA, any time the hammer starts back, finish cocking it and then lower it.

Otherwise, the locking bolt spring is bound up on the hammer cam and somethings gotta give that doesn't want too when you lower the hammer.

Safe carry with 5 rounds.
Load one.
Skip one.
Load four, finish cocking and lower the hammer.

The hammer will be resting on the empty chamber.

rc
 
Wow! Great choices! That Ruger is my favorite, never seen one like that before. I have a birdshead Uberti that I love as well as a stainless BH, both in .45LC. Your Ruger mixes my favorite features of both and is chambered in .45ACP which is one of my favorite calibers. RC is right about safe loading, it's how I carry my Uberti. Thanks for the pics, you bought some cool stuff!
 
Great looking collection you got there! I think my favorite is the .45acp stainless Ruger with the birdshead grip.....
 
Thought since the Uberti Old West Defense revolver was supposedly "built on a 22lr frame" it might hold something less than 6 shots when chambered in .38 SPL. Was hoping for something new and interesting. After looking at their web site I see now the frame size isn’t appreciably different than any other Uberti single action. The .22lr model being a 10 shot.
 
It's roughly the size of a Single Six, definitely smaller than a full sized SAA. Probably same frame as the Model P Jr.
 
Here is a side by side comparision of the full sized Colt SAA in 45 Colt and clones, and a Cimerron Arms (Uberti) model P Junior in 38 special. The grips are exactly the same but the frames are different.
I don't care for the full sized near as much as I do the model P Junior. I also have the birdshead grip model.

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I handled a New Vaquero (like yours) yesterday and I think I found my new "must have"! There was a Uberti clone with birdhead grip there too and I must say the Ruger felt better in every way.
 
in my state law enforcement officers certified in their job to carry a gun are not required to have a permit to purchase so I have been able to buy guns on the spot which may not be a good thing for a person that likes guns.
You're right, it's not a good thing. First, purchase permits are BS, and creating a "privileged class" by granting some people an exception to it is even more so.
 
Wow! When you say you went on a Single Action buying spree, you weren't kidding! You've done very well in your selections; especially with the Ruger and Uberti birdshead grip models. Can't help you with the Talo build numbers so your probably better off contacting Talo or Ruger for that information. Ubertis website shows that Stoeger Industries is the current importer so you have to check to see if they were the importer of your gun. If not then I would contact the importer who did bring in your gun and see what they say about getting the correct base pin.

Good luck with your efforts and enjoy your new Single Actions.
Thanks. Still wringing them out as time permits at the range. I contacted Talo within a day of creating this thread and have never heard back from them.
 
NICE SPREE. I'm looking for a Ruger Birds head. I've not seen one in person yet, but would like to know how that grip feels. I have a 45 LC Vaquero, stainless, 5.5" barrel, and the XR3 grip pokes me in the palm. Maybe I should have bought a bisley.
I don't know the numbers of the Talo 45 LC vs 45 ACP. I'm not sure anyone would. I've seen a few Talo birds heads online in 45 colt, but without being able to put my hands on one, I've resisted.

Honestly I haven't shot the Ruger yet. I've got tons of 45acp ammo but it is actually the last on my list of new guns that I will shoot as it is the one I am most sure I will have zero issues with. The standard grip I like but the birdshead just feels better in my hand while at the same time feels better against my side (carrying my Old West Defense) concealed. I'm not sure how it would be with recoil as I think the old plow handle design is perfect for heavy recoiling guns. None of mine with birdshead grips are for heavy recoiling calibers so I'd check around with someone with one in 44magnum or 45lc that puts full power ammo through their gun if that is any type of concern.
 
Glad to hear that your having fun Man With No Name, but I whole heartedly agree with Zoom6Zoom. I respect the fact that your a LEO and are out there serving the public. However it is a little distasteful to more or less flaunt the the fact that you don't need a permit to purchase a handgun due to you being a LEO. It sounds a lot like New Yorks anti RKBA system due to all the liberals in office. I grew up there and sure as hades have no intention of ever going back.

Dang shame too as it is a beautiful state with lots of good hunting, however the liberals ruined it for everyone:fire:
 
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Yes Rugers build a great single action gun however they are not truly period correct though accepted even in NCOWS where I shoot. I have 3 Uberti's myself, 2 of which are the 4.75" and 5.5" barreled models with the 3rd one a 7.5" barrel Uberti/Cimarron Model P SAA all of which are 45 Colt with case hardened/blued finish.

As for the birds beak I love them too but will never own on due to the fact they are illegal in NCOWS due to the fact their was only one birds beak gun made between 1866 to 1899 and that was a double action .36 cal, I think. I buy guns with needs so don't buy guns I will rarely shoot.
 
For those members that are mad about not needing a permit to purchase, you might as well get mad about those of us that live in states that don't require one either. How dare we choose to live in free states that trust their citizens to buy handguns without a "Mother May I?" from the local sheriff.
 
Thought since the Uberti Old West Defense revolver was supposedly "built on a 22lr frame" it might hold something less than 6 shots when chambered in .38 SPL. Was hoping for something new and interesting. After looking at their web site I see now the frame size isn’t appreciably different than any other Uberti single action. The .22lr model being a 10 shot.
If you look at the pictures I posted I included the same Glock 17 in each photo to give a sense of scale. Between overall frame size and width the difference seems pretty big to me. It is a 6 shot revolver. Although the firing pin is in the frame their is no transfer bar so it is basically like a traditional SAA meaning the safe way to carry it is loaded with 5 rounds. I wouldn't recommend it unless you like lighter weight .38 special ammunition as (my copy at least) mine is not what I'd consider accurate with heavier bullets.
 
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