My WASR 10/63 won't group well

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I have been trying to get my AK to group. Removing the cleaning rod and slant cut muzzle brake tighten the groups considerably, but my best is still 3"x2" at 50m from a sandbag, using both irons and a red dot. Groups slightly better with the red dot. I was using Tulammo. I have no issues from other rifles.

What else can I try?
 
Tulammo is notoriously inaccurate. Try better ammo.

This.

Based on your description, you are shooting around 4MOA or slightly over. That's about all you can expect out of Tulammo in an AK. Shoot some Wolf Gold or Golden Tiger, and I expect you'll see groups closer to 2-2.5 MOA.

Also, I don't see why installing the slant brake would change accuracy at all. It might shift point-of-impact a bit, but it won't affect accuracy.
 
No offense, but the WASR isn't exactly know for accuracy either. I could never get any of mine to be better than 4MOA with the best fodder that I could feed them, and cheap Russian steel-cased ammo regularly resulted in 6"-8" groups at 100 yards.
 
My wasr 10 doesn't group that great either. I got some decent groups the other day but I can't seem to duplicate them. Now I also have a ar15 in 762x39 and it is much more accurate. Here's a 5 shot group with the ar at about 60 yards with a red dot.

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Much like a spring piston air gun, an AK probably won't shoot its best groups off sandbags. Try a solid prone or sitting position with only your hands. AKs are not designed to shoot tight groups -- "practical" accuracy with mass produced ammo ("quantity has a quality of its very own") and superior reliability with minimal maintenance are its strengths..
 
"...Removing the cleaning rod and slant cut muzzle brake tighten..." That indicates a barrel harmonics issue you can't easily fix.
No AK is a target rifle though. Absolutely use better ammo, but don't expect great accuracy out of an AK. They're not made for it.
 
Buy good American ammo that shoots a .310 or .311 projectile. I've been told some American manufacturers use .308 projectiles, but don't know that for certain.
 
Dude, it's not a target rifle. It was designed as a battle rifle. All they were ever supposed to do is hit a man sized target at 300 meters or less. Use better ammo and you may be able to shrink the pattern a little bit, but it will never shoot tiny little groups.
 
The AKs I've owned have been 3-4 MOA rifles. The PSL was better, 1.5-2 MOA, but the design just doesn't lend itself to accuracy, and most aren't made with the best materials or tooling.
 
You first have to figure out what ammo the barrel likes. Surplus ammo is horribly inconsistent. Here's an example all shot at 100 yards from the same Mosin build in the same day. Group 7 was shot just to see if it'd repeat.

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I've had good luck with Hornady 123 grain SST factory ammo. Once in a while a box of the bloc stuff will shoot OK.
 
I have been trying to get my AK to group. Removing the cleaning rod and slant cut muzzle brake tighten the groups considerably, but my best is still 3"x2" at 50m from a sandbag, using both irons and a red dot. Groups slightly better with the red dot. I was using Tulammo. I have no issues from other rifles.

What else can I try?
The main thing which has already been mentioned is to try shooting some better ammo. Just about any brass cased x39 ammo produced in the US will be be better than steel cased Tula or Wolf, the only really positive things to say about that ammo is that it's cheap and readily available. If you're expecting it to group well adding a scope with some magnifification will probably help too.

For instance as a comparison at 100 yards here's an iron-sighted Chinese AK that I just bought shooting steel-cased Wolf 122 grain HP off the bench in comparison with my most accurate Ruger 10/22 using a scope.

(I wasn't comparing them at the time, I just brought out that AK right then since I just bought it and I always take out that .22 pretty much no matter what. I'm just an incorrigible target saver and when I saw the groups between the two I had to laugh a little :) )

That Ruger 10/22 is really accurate though and besides the scope (a Nikon 3.5-14x40 Mil-Dot scope with a Weaver base and Burris rings) it has a match grade Green River bull barrel and a Bell and Carlson Anschutz stock and then for the ammo I'm just using Federal lead Auto-Match (40 grain lead solid)

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That's literally the first time I've ever fired that AK though. I just bought it for $650 (thinking that was last Military style centerfire semi-auto that I was going to be able to get before Hillary got the crown) and I'm taking that .22 out quite a bit.

If it's a used rifle and its dirty or it was dipped in cosmoline or some other preservative cleaning it's barrel very thoroughly might help, better ammo will help, using a scope with some magnifification might help, a better trigger might help (***Link for AK trigger by ALG Defense***), more practice with that rifle might help, you might have just had a bad day and so on.

Just saying, every little bit helps.

That's also a crappy group for me even considering that it's an iron sighted AK using crappy ammo. The next target I put up looked a little bit better at the same range using the same rifle, same ammo, same position, same mag ... Same everything.

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Its just that I warmed up a bit and became more accustomed to the rifle.

Try cleaning the rifle, try using better ammo, maybe throw on a scope with some magnifification and maybe being a little more deliberate about it and practice good fundamentals and I'm betting that you'll have better results.
 
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Here's my results years ago..just for comparison on my 10/63 using slant brake
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Here's 100y group around the same time. The ones marked with 1, are my first 5 shots off a bag..letting the rifle rest on bag and letting recoil do its thing. Next 10 shots I grabbed lower HG and rested on bag with slight tug. It's been years now time for another outing
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Set up at the time
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