My wife called me a ...

[theNoid]

Mods, there is no ammunition forum and since I generally shoot handguns for the most part this is where I parked it. If it needs moved, please have at it boss.

And it went a little someting like this...

The wife walked into the livingroom today and found me doing the following and remarked by simply calling me a butthead and asked if I didn't have anything better to do.

So I was bored today with the high winds outside and all and I was thinking about the Paco Accurizer and hollowpointy tool thingy that comes with it and decided I needed to have some fun. So while sitting around doing nothing, I decided to make some Federal bulk 550 rounds from Wally World into real hollowpoints. I simply did this my cordless drill and a couple of bits. I started out by cleaning the factory "hole" with a 1/16" bit and then followed up with a 3/32" bit. The only thing I figured that would be negative about this is that if I wasn't centered really well, then accuracy might suffer. So I went ahead and fired a couple factory shots and a couple of the modded rounds and accuracy at 25ft was not affected. So, once the wind dies down outside, I will take these little buggers out there and see what kind of impact they have on the pDogs/jacks.


Noidster

 

[jlbraun]

So I went ahead and fired a couple factory shots and a couple of the modded rounds and accuracy at 25ft was not affected. So, once the wind dies down outside, I will take these little buggers out there and see what kind of impact they have on the pDogs/jacks.

You were shooting a .22 in your living room?!?

 

[Cosmoline]

That's the old way. It's more reliable with full size rifle rounds. I don't know how much expansion you'll get with those.

 

[Big Boomer]

I used to cut off the tops of the 22lr rounds right where it starts to round the top, most likely leaving say about 20 grains left. I called them "flatheads" all I know is they worked great and would section a bird in to 5-6 pieces when it hit. It would make sort of a zing zing zing through the air then a loud POP! when it hit and would just be devastating.

I would just take a sharp knife and start it on one side and roll the entire casing until the top part of the lead popped off, then shave the sides where it deformed out a little.

 

[theNoid]

You were shooting a .22 in your living room?!?

Well not really, I was actually shooting from the kitchen, into the back room into a target box stuffed with old magazines. I can assure you, the lovely misses did not care for this even more than the lead shavings in her carpet, in which she made me vacuum the whole damn livingroom, not just the spot where I was playing around with this stuff

I don't know how much expansion you'll get with those.

Yeah me either, but from looking at the magazines in the target box, they should be more devastating on the rodents. What brought all this up is the fact that I can put several rounds sometimes into a larger pDog and they crawl into their hole, and the same with the jacks. I am hoping this might help stop the crawling after the first shot. I have heard reports of people using the Paco accurizer and it's hollowpointing tool with great results such as I am looking for here. Just playing more than anything, as I said...I was bored.

Noidster

 

[Brian Williams]

Get Paco Kelly's accuriz'r it does a similar task only with out the hazard of power tools.
You can find it over on Leverguns forum...http://levergunscommunity.com/index.php?sid=6c107217e81c07cf3b735a2a116d80a6

 

[theNoid]

Yeah Brian, I am going to be picking one up when we make our yearly trip to Cabellas...if they have it. If not, I will then order it online. Was just bored today and seeing what I could do for free...for now anyhow. Had the time, and the materials/tools today so we will see what happens. Hopefully be able to get out and jump some jacks tomorrow.

Noidster

 

[blutarsky]

you won't be able to buy one at cabelas -- only online, as he makes them to order.

here's a quick pic of the same ammo you did (fed 550 value pack from walmart). i just did it a minute ago and it took all of 5 seconds:

keep in mind, i wasn't very "aggressive" with the tool (it's still a pretty big change, though), and you could likely get more deformation with a bigger whack. but as it is, from a quick side-by-side comparison (i didn't break out the calipers) it looks about the same shape as standard, so it should feed just fine... if you get carried away then you might have issues feeding in a semi-auto. of course, if you're using a revolver, then you can *really* take it to an extreme also, compared to the drilling method, this bullet has no lost lead so it's the same weight.

as an aside -- this tool really shines in modifying factory hollow points. the reason being that it's easier to "center" on the existing hollow point that's already there. it's also quite a bit easier to simply expand it than create a new hollow point in a non-hollowpoint round nose. if you want immediate "wow look at that" results, then using his tool on factory hollowpoints is the way to go. first ya give it a whack or two with the "acu'rzr" blunt point rod to shape it, and then give it a whack or two with the nastinose to enhance the hollowpoint. that's it.

if you want to take a lead round nose and make an HP, then you might run into trouble -- the main issue being some "slop" in the tool. the rods have a bit of play in them and don't fit really snug in the tool so it's possible (perhaps more than possible, and might be more than likely) that you'll be off-center. for the acu-rzr rod that's not a big issue since it's mostly a blunt-end rod, but for the nastinose or the baby-scorp'n being off-center could produce less than desired results (moreso with the baby-scorp'n in my experience). something i've found is that if i place a bit of thin packing tape (you know, the basic packing tape used for shipping boxes -- the thin stuff, not the heavy duty strapping tape) around the forming rods, there's almost no "slop" (i.e., the rods are very well centered). it's a bit of a "hack" but it helps for me, and it made the tool much more steady and consitent, which for this sort of thing is important.

it's a relatively affordable tool and for the fun alone it's worth it... but aside from just having fun and tinkering, you can actually get some real-world results. i'd recommend it for sure.

well how about that -- my final try before uploading to photobucket and the attachment finally worked... whole lot of waiting for something so simple

 

[XDKingslayer]

You were drilling holes into .22 rounds and then shooting them inside the house.

Tell your wife I agree with her.

 

[crebralfix]

You were drilling holes into .22 rounds and then shooting them inside the house.

Tell your wife I agree with her.

At least he wasn't using the oven to bake on some noxious handgun finish....

 

[NG VI]

well i hate to admit it but he's not the only one, I had an old computer i shot a few rounds into way back when. front to back, too many empty spaces to hit if shooting through the sides. stopped tho

 

[jlbraun]

Well not really, I was actually shooting from the kitchen, into the back room into a target box stuffed with old magazines. I can assure you, the lovely misses did not care for this even more than the lead shavings in her carpet, in which she made me vacuum the whole damn livingroom, not just the spot where I was playing around with this stuff

Geez, and I thought I was pushing my girl's good graces when I use the kitchen sink to degrease bicycle parts...

 

[Soybomb]

Well not really, I was actually shooting from the kitchen, into the back room into a target box stuffed with old magazines. I can assure you, the lovely misses did not care for this even more than the lead shavings in her carpet, in which she made me vacuum the whole damn livingroom, not just the spot where I was playing around with this stuff

Not to try to be the safety police but you know that you're putting lead into the air that will settle on the surfaces of your home by shooting a gun indoors right? Its pretty toxic stuff and not something to be taken lightly, especially if you have kids.

 

[AnthonyC.]

ummmmm, heres my question....did you have hearing protection on? and did you tell you wife that you were going to shoot inside before you started or did you just go for it, cuz that first shot had to scare the crap outta anyone inside....

 

[Iggy]

Give ol Noid a little slack

If you knew how the wind and snow has been blowing where he is, you'd have a little cabin fever too.

He's got a neighbor that won't come out of the basement because of the howling wind..

He's gonna have a heck of a supply of reloads come green up!!

 

[steelyblue]

You might be a redneck if.........lol

 

[DMZ]

I used to cut off the tops of the 22lr rounds right where it starts to round the top, most likely leaving say about 20 grains left. I called them "flatheads" all I know is they worked great and would section a bird in to 5-6 pieces when it hit. It would make sort of a zing zing zing through the air then a loud POP! when it hit and would just be devastating.

I would just take a sharp knife and start it on one side and roll the entire casing until the top part of the lead popped off, then shave the sides where it deformed out a little.

You made .22 LWC. I use to make .22 LSWC out of 40 gr solids with a flat file. I would carefully run each round across the file until I was halfway down the ogive.

Some accuracy was lost, but I do remember the "plot" sound they made when they hit a Starling. (The local cherry grower would pay me $0.05/bird when his crop was ripening, so every shot counted. I made enough to keep well stocked with ammo.)

 

[gallo]

Don't take this the wrong way, but the following quote would make an excellent how do you know you are a red neck type of joke.

Well not really, I was actually shooting from the kitchen, into the back room into a target box stuffed with old magazines.

I wish I could get away with target shooting inside my house.

 

[kennymauser]

Now I know why I like this Forum so much!!!

Ken

 

[KenW.]

I've shot woodchucks through an open kitchen window before. .22 when they were in the yard, 6mm when they were a little further out.

Make certain the screen is up and the muzzle is OUTSIDE THE WINDOWFRAME.

 

[nitesite]

Cutting off the tip to make a flat point sounds a lot like the CCI SGB (Small Game Bullet). Too bad they disco'd those a few years back. It was a heckuva hunting round.