My Wife Got Made...........................
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PCRCCW
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Well.........wow. Im impressed with the replies Ive gotten.
I think the issue of carrying in a hospital isnt a big deal....hell, like I said I had 3 guns on me 6 hrs after she go escorted out. The issues is she got made........
I dont agree with it.....but concealed is concealed. As a holster maker I live this kinda stuff......dont even get me started, kinda thing. She handled it as well as she could at the time. I gotta give her Kudos.
Ben and Larry......you guys are right......she does put up with me and she's armed when she does it. And yes, thats scary
She has gotten ALOT better with the Mak since the class.....she out shoots me on a regular basis. And it just makes me proud.........
Shoot well.........
I think the issue of carrying in a hospital isnt a big deal....hell, like I said I had 3 guns on me 6 hrs after she go escorted out. The issues is she got made........
I dont agree with it.....but concealed is concealed. As a holster maker I live this kinda stuff......dont even get me started, kinda thing. She handled it as well as she could at the time. I gotta give her Kudos.
Ben and Larry......you guys are right......she does put up with me and she's armed when she does it. And yes, thats scary
She has gotten ALOT better with the Mak since the class.....she out shoots me on a regular basis. And it just makes me proud.........
Shoot well.........
Sir Aardvark
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Sturmruger says:
"Plus I am never very impressed with the Doctors I meet. They tend to be kind of full of themselves."
If someone you just met is a doctor, they will tell you so within the first five minutes of the conversation.
No offense to the physicians to visit THR
"Plus I am never very impressed with the Doctors I meet. They tend to be kind of full of themselves."
If someone you just met is a doctor, they will tell you so within the first five minutes of the conversation.
No offense to the physicians to visit THR
I just do not understand the "OMG I saw her gun" attitude and the concealed is concealed stuff. I understand in some states even printing is verboten and can get you ticketed, but I do not understand the point of it.
In Mn the license is a CCW but no where is there a penalty for it showing. pulling the gun and waving it around will get your ticket pulled. But getting made, big deal.
My mother in law has been in a Mn hospital that posts those signs all around but the current law was suspended pending a law suit and those signs do not apply, and all they can do it ask you to leave. I Carried the first day I was there and I got to meet a security guard who had an asp and pepper spray and we got to talking about CCW and he said "the rules here say no guns, but unless you tell us how are we going to know." A Doctor sitting there got all upset with his attitude and wanted to report him for failing to follow hospital guidelines. I asked the doctor if he was willing to face an armed man and tell him to put the gun away. He said "heavens no, that is his job" indicating the security guard. To which I asked then Why do you ask him to do it unarmed too? The Doctor had no answer. I asked the Doctor if he cared to compare the number of people killed by CCW holders to people killed by incompetent or unprepared MDs.
He laughed until I told him not one CCW had killed anyone in the State since the law was passed. Compared to 20 people killed by medical mistakes in the state of minnesota in the last 15 months.
He then stated that people are killed by guns everyday. And I asked how many of those were legal users and how many of the people shot where involved in criminal enterprise. He seemed to have a problem that bangers shooting other bangers meant that it was a criminal problem, not a hardware problem.
In Mn the license is a CCW but no where is there a penalty for it showing. pulling the gun and waving it around will get your ticket pulled. But getting made, big deal.
My mother in law has been in a Mn hospital that posts those signs all around but the current law was suspended pending a law suit and those signs do not apply, and all they can do it ask you to leave. I Carried the first day I was there and I got to meet a security guard who had an asp and pepper spray and we got to talking about CCW and he said "the rules here say no guns, but unless you tell us how are we going to know." A Doctor sitting there got all upset with his attitude and wanted to report him for failing to follow hospital guidelines. I asked the doctor if he was willing to face an armed man and tell him to put the gun away. He said "heavens no, that is his job" indicating the security guard. To which I asked then Why do you ask him to do it unarmed too? The Doctor had no answer. I asked the Doctor if he cared to compare the number of people killed by CCW holders to people killed by incompetent or unprepared MDs.
He laughed until I told him not one CCW had killed anyone in the State since the law was passed. Compared to 20 people killed by medical mistakes in the state of minnesota in the last 15 months.
He then stated that people are killed by guns everyday. And I asked how many of those were legal users and how many of the people shot where involved in criminal enterprise. He seemed to have a problem that bangers shooting other bangers meant that it was a criminal problem, not a hardware problem.
PCRCCW
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Ill expand on my thoughts on Concealed is concealed and she got made.
The law is its concealed period. If she did get made she did break a law....to whatever the minor extent that it really happened. As she knows she did something wrong, she agreed to leave her gun in the car. I dont agree with it at all....but at the time, it seemed prudent.
Dr's just dont get it. They are pompus, arrogant and do it all for the "good of man kind" ...LOL. I grew up in the medical industry and know this to be true.
10% of the Dr's I know are actually human beings.............maybe 10%??????
No offense to the down to earth ones on this or any other Board.......
Shoot well.......
The law is its concealed period. If she did get made she did break a law....to whatever the minor extent that it really happened. As she knows she did something wrong, she agreed to leave her gun in the car. I dont agree with it at all....but at the time, it seemed prudent.
Dr's just dont get it. They are pompus, arrogant and do it all for the "good of man kind" ...LOL. I grew up in the medical industry and know this to be true.
10% of the Dr's I know are actually human beings.............maybe 10%??????
No offense to the down to earth ones on this or any other Board.......
Shoot well.......
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gigmike
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I have to laugh at the concept of your typical security guard being effective protection against a trained and armed person determined to assault. I've seen numerous security guards and armored car crew try trying to qualify with their handguns. It was an eye opener for me.
np15cgg
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Eric,
I admire your patience and tolerance in all this; I suspect that the central issue for you (and your wife) is your mother-in-law's health. I note that physicians can be jerks when dealing (or not dealing) with their patients and that it can be very frustrating indeed to have a loved one in the hospital.
However, not everyone who carries weapons into a hospital is benign. In many large cities, not all patients/visitors that carry, do so legally. Docs do get shot from time to time. Thanks for tolerating folks who may see things differently than you.
By the way, only surgeons are hopelessly full of themselves.
Eric,
I admire your patience and tolerance in all this; I suspect that the central issue for you (and your wife) is your mother-in-law's health. I note that physicians can be jerks when dealing (or not dealing) with their patients and that it can be very frustrating indeed to have a loved one in the hospital.
However, not everyone who carries weapons into a hospital is benign. In many large cities, not all patients/visitors that carry, do so legally. Docs do get shot from time to time. Thanks for tolerating folks who may see things differently than you.
By the way, only surgeons are hopelessly full of themselves.
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But not in any hospitals which ban weapons, right?
Sigh
np15cgg
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Actually, my point was Eric's "no big deal" approach to all this which I thought was admirable. In my life at least, dumb but harmless behavior is not real high on any list of significant problems. Whether or not the rate of doctor/nurse/staff/patient/etc. shootings would go up or down in hospitals that allowed- or banned firearms didn't occur to me.
But since you brought it up-
As I see it, at least one problem is gonna be sterilizing. Even stainless guns will rust eventually in a 235 C autoclave (springs for sure). Glocks would do better on the rust, but I think they might melt!
But since you brought it up-
As I see it, at least one problem is gonna be sterilizing. Even stainless guns will rust eventually in a 235 C autoclave (springs for sure). Glocks would do better on the rust, but I think they might melt!
PCRCCW
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Hi Guys....this is Mrs. PCRCCW. I so appreciate your support & kind words! It was a very interesting situation. To clarify a couple of things....I have received an apology from the big bad Security Guard (we had a good laugh), and head of U of U Security. There is no law in Utah that prohibits Concealed Carry in hospitals. Yes the nurses & doctors were nervous because of the incident at the other hospital last year, but HELLO I am the least of their worries. Wouldn't they want us good guys with defensive weapons there if another psycho posed a threat in their hospital? Anyway, there is no law, no signs were posted anywhere (we double checked), and turns out, this was just the personal position of the Administrators of the hospital. Security told me THEY violated the law and my rights, but appreciated me cooperating with them. I didn't do it for them, however, I did it for my Mother!!!!!
By the way, the other funny point, I never yelled at anyone. During this time we were frustrated with the Attending Doctor who took my Mom off all pain meds & sleep aids, putting her in excrutiating pain, and we almost lost her. We understood the Doctors reasoning behind their decision, problem was they didn't explain this to us, or tell us what they were doing until the next morning when the Attending came in with the Security Guard. My father had requested during the night to see the Attending first thing when she got in & we were anxious to see her. I guess they took this as a threat. Oh well, its over, Mom is better and finally back at home.
Thanks again, It's been fun sharing this experience.....Thanks honey!!!
Everyone.....watch your 6, be safe, & God bless!!
By the way, the other funny point, I never yelled at anyone. During this time we were frustrated with the Attending Doctor who took my Mom off all pain meds & sleep aids, putting her in excrutiating pain, and we almost lost her. We understood the Doctors reasoning behind their decision, problem was they didn't explain this to us, or tell us what they were doing until the next morning when the Attending came in with the Security Guard. My father had requested during the night to see the Attending first thing when she got in & we were anxious to see her. I guess they took this as a threat. Oh well, its over, Mom is better and finally back at home.
Thanks again, It's been fun sharing this experience.....Thanks honey!!!
Everyone.....watch your 6, be safe, & God bless!!
PCRCCW
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Thanks guys.....The Mrs. has just posted and I cant add anything past that.
Ben and Larry.....we'll see you guys at lunch today. Ben....be careful she read your reply..........be VERY CAREFUL!
Thanks for everything....................Shoot well.
Ben and Larry.....we'll see you guys at lunch today. Ben....be careful she read your reply..........be VERY CAREFUL!
Thanks for everything....................Shoot well.
P95Carry
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''Mrs Eric'' ......... good to see you post. Glad you had an apology. I just hope medics everywhere can and will realize that honorable and responsible folks carrying in their midst just might one day save their butts!!
Hey, hospitals can be dangerous places...people expire in them all the time.
On a more serious note, SOME hospitals are truly dangerous places to work. The county hospital in Atlnta is notorious for the female staff getting raped in the starirwells, in addition to other unpleasantness.
I just love the attitude of the doc described, "Hey, its HIS job" to confront the armed guys...while unarmed.
On a more serious note, SOME hospitals are truly dangerous places to work. The county hospital in Atlnta is notorious for the female staff getting raped in the starirwells, in addition to other unpleasantness.
I just love the attitude of the doc described, "Hey, its HIS job" to confront the armed guys...while unarmed.
Private Property?
Am I not mistaken that if the hospital were private property they have every right to ask you to leave regardless of circumstances? It is legal to carry in the hospital, but if you are made and that hospital asks you to leave that is within their right. Same thing in a bar, department store, restraunt or private residence.
Is the hospital foolish? Sure. But they probably could have issued her a tresspass warning. (IANAL or LEO so take with many grains of salt.) I think all in all it came out OK comparatively. If anything it might have educated a few folks to lawful and peaceable carry.
Am I not mistaken that if the hospital were private property they have every right to ask you to leave regardless of circumstances? It is legal to carry in the hospital, but if you are made and that hospital asks you to leave that is within their right. Same thing in a bar, department store, restraunt or private residence.
Is the hospital foolish? Sure. But they probably could have issued her a tresspass warning. (IANAL or LEO so take with many grains of salt.) I think all in all it came out OK comparatively. If anything it might have educated a few folks to lawful and peaceable carry.
Gunnutz13
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Hey...they must have
...seen that movie "John Q" (as in public) with Denzel Washington. premise:good guy trying to save dying son gets firearm to force issue.
PCRCCW...I know where you're coming from with the hospital staff...it's very frustrating when you have a loved one in pain and no one seems to be giving a damn. I personally know what you're going through...I lost my father who went into a PA hospital on a Friday evening with all the signs of a heart attack...they did some tests and sent him on his way because they couldn't find anything positive and they needed the beds for "really sick people"...long story short...my father was taken to the emergency ward of another hospital on Monday after suffering all weekend with a type of dementia...and my family watched him die that night. Turns out a slow moving bloodclot actually starved his brain of oxygen. My family had to hold me back from going to the first hospital and finding the sob's that refused him care. And after consulting lawyers, we found we couldn't prove negligence... :banghead: Compassion is what's lacking in todays medicine...give ya a pill and send ya on yer way...next !!
...seen that movie "John Q" (as in public) with Denzel Washington. premise:good guy trying to save dying son gets firearm to force issue.
PCRCCW...I know where you're coming from with the hospital staff...it's very frustrating when you have a loved one in pain and no one seems to be giving a damn. I personally know what you're going through...I lost my father who went into a PA hospital on a Friday evening with all the signs of a heart attack...they did some tests and sent him on his way because they couldn't find anything positive and they needed the beds for "really sick people"...long story short...my father was taken to the emergency ward of another hospital on Monday after suffering all weekend with a type of dementia...and my family watched him die that night. Turns out a slow moving bloodclot actually starved his brain of oxygen. My family had to hold me back from going to the first hospital and finding the sob's that refused him care. And after consulting lawyers, we found we couldn't prove negligence... :banghead: Compassion is what's lacking in todays medicine...give ya a pill and send ya on yer way...next !!
Car Knocker
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wqbang,
The hospital is owned by the University of Utah, a publicly-funded institution.
The hospital is owned by the University of Utah, a publicly-funded institution.
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