Myerco Blackie Collins

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I recently bought this Myerco Blackie Collins plain edge tanto and am very impressed with the quality of materials and lock up. It is a 5 inch blade, coated black, excellent construction, G-10 scales and very solid. Got it for under 30 bucks and it certainly seems to be worth more. Does anyone have an educated opinion about this blade? Is this a knife made in the US? Help please and thanks for your wisdom in advance.
 

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Does anyone have an educated opinion about this blade?
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Most of the Meyerco folders seem to be fair to middlin'. Not exactly great buys for your money but they are decent. IME they tend to have edges left sharp as machined on the scales but fit and finish are otherwise excellent.

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Is this a knife made in the US?
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Nope. Chinese.


I kinda like this (light, partial liners) little guy, especially after removing the A.O mechanism. I wish it was available with a better (than 7CR17MOV) blade steel.

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Myerco is getting out of the outdoor/tactical knife business and their knives are a great deal when you can find them on sale.
 
Thanks for the info. guys. A few more questions...how does the steel compare, in this blade, to other modern steel? When we say it's Chinese made, is that a bad thing?...component-wise that is, and aside from human rights violations, to include improper labor practices in said country. I guess what I'm asking, is the steel, and other materials, inferior when compared to a knife in the same monetary range which is made in the USA?

I have been carrying knives for about 35 years, but have never delved more deeply into their composition and construction and THR has taught me a good deal, so I appreciate the patience and information given.
 
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Thanks for the info. guys. A few more questions...how does the steel compare, in this blade, to other modern steel?
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IIRC the Blackie Collins "Classic" is 8CR13, so it is broadly similar to AUS8 performance wise.


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When we say it's Chinese made, is that a bad thing?
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Quality is a function of what the contracting entity is willing to accept. Meyerco seems to have held their Chinese contractors to a reasonably good standard and they warranty the product.

You could do much worse.
 
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Correct me if I am wrong, but very few if any "value" knives are made in the US of A. Most American made knives are in the $60-$200+++ range, with quality to match. Once you hit $25-30, you can do a lot better than Chinese made though. In the $25-100 range, there are tons of very good knives, much better steel and quality than their Chinese counterparts, from the $25 OKC RAT-1 in AUS-8 made in Taiwan, Cold Steels (Taiwan) and of course the Japanese Spydercos in VG-10 steel. For about $75, the first US made Benchmades and Spydercos show up, with quality and capability to match.
 
Thank you, Gentlemen.

Sam, I think that was you, and not the other Sam we have here, who injured yourself relatively recently. How are you doing with the recovery?
 
7CR17MoV is basically 440A stainless (there's really not enough Mo or V to contribute anything in the analysis so it is kinda deceptive to characterize it other than 7CR17).

We see plenty of 440A used in low end knives produced elsewhere AND there are people that consider 440A to be a good basic steel where corrosion resistance and ease of sharpening is important in blades that don't see a lot of use.

There are better performing steels available that cost a bit more as well those that perform much better (and cost much more).
 
I like the Benchmades too, Noah.

I have two stainless presidios (Axis locks with 3in. blades of 440C) I use these when dressed up and want a really light folder with a moderately slim profile.

The Myercos I got for $24, including tax, and they really feel very solid and the edge cuts well. The fit and finish are indeed excellent. The only complaint I have in that the bevel is not as evenly done as you would see on a higher quality knife.

BTW...I read your story about your injury too, how are you doing?


For me it happened like this:
Up to the age of 20 I had only earned a few little nicks here and there when using or "playing" with my knives. My "aha" moment happened when I was using a box cutter (with a freshly changed blade) one day at work. So I was tackling some cardboard and instead of cutting away from my body and knowing where the following stroke would end, I brought the blade toward myself and with a literal flash, yes I saw a flash, but no pain, the deed was done. I had lacerated the underside of my forearm just under my wrist lengthwise (2.5in). It left a clean straight line that didn't start bleeding until I realized what I had done and used my other hand to cradle the opposite side of my forearm, thus opening the wound and the blood flooded on out. I then quickly grabbed a rag and compressed just as the sweats and dizzies caught me. After some deep breaths and about 10 minutes a coworker drove me to get stitched up. That was almost 25 years ago and though I have gotten a few little bites no major accidents/negligents since then.
 
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hso,
Would 440C, as I mentioned in the previous post, be one of the better steels you referred to in your post?

Thanks
 
440C is a perfectly fine stainless steel when properly heat treated for most pocket knife use. It won't make a great sharpened pry bar (although Ray Ennis at Entrek does a remarkable job of doing just that with it because he understands it well), but then not all folders or even fixed blades need to be.

Myerco does an excellent job of keeping their Chinese factory partners toeing the line and they get remarkable quality out of them.
 
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I like the Benchmades too, Noah.

I have two stainless presidios (Axis locks with 3in. blades of 440C) I use these when dressed up and want a really light folder with a moderately slim profile.

The Myercos I got for $24, including tax, and they really feel very solid and the edge cuts well. The fit and finish are indeed excellent. The only complaint I have in that the bevel is not as evenly done as you would see on a higher quality knife.

BTW...I read your story about your injury too, how are you doing?
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I like the looks of that Myerco- mostly because it has a thumbhole! :D And the handle is a Cold Steel G10 lookin' thing...

Chinese knives vary a lot in quality. Some of them are pretty good- looks like we can add these to that list. Bevels can be fixed with a belt sander or diamond stone haha.


It's been 4 months, I am pretty much better. Nasty scar, and a lot of scar tissue and the whole area is still sore to the touch. But it moves fine now. Now I just have to get back in shape...
 
Glad you are doing well. So you like the holes vs. thumbstuds? I don't know much about the designer yet, I'll look him up after this post, but Blackie Collins designed this knife and he was a knife guy of some repute.
 
Well aint that just a bummer!

I decided to give this knife a torture test, having 2 back ups, and after reading the safe way in which to do this. The first test involved a spine strike of the blade on a 2x4. I had my hand protected with a robust leather glove and I just started with a light rap and you know what?...the damn knife folded. :what: I was shocked. I re-engaged the blade with the liner in a firm fashion and tried again. Yup, another failure. Holy cow! So I tried the same technique with the other two knives and dammit if they both failed. One was so poorly locked I could close it without even moving the liner aside. I'm imagining these knives are junk now, unless there is some way I can fix them or perhaps send them back to Myerco...but to tell you the truth...with three abysmal failures, I don't trust this model of knife any longer. :mad:
 
New Knife

Well, well, well. Now I need an EDC knife that wont fail at the very least and I have about 60 bucks to spend. I have held the Kershaw Blur and like the texture of the scales, the blade design in to my liking being a partially serrated blade. I don't know what type of steel it is (Could you guys help me out on this one?) How robust is the spring assist on this knife? Its a liner lock, I do believe, and that's fine with me. :cool: uh...help!
 
9mmforMe said:
Well, well, well. Now I need an EDC knife that wont fail at the very least and I have about 60 bucks to spend. I have held the Kershaw Blur and like the texture of the scales, the blade design in to my liking being a partially serrated blade. I don't know what type of steel it is (Could you guys help me out on this one?) How robust is the spring assist on this knife? Its a liner lock, I do believe, and that's fine with me. :cool: uh...help!
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The Blur comes in many different steels. Base model is Sandvik steel I think. Good stuff. Just a warning, I've seen videos on youtube by reputable channels showing Blurs not only failing a spine whack, but being folding by hand without disengaging the liner lock. Possibly able to be fixed by disassembling the knife and bending the liner lock over to increase tension. YMMV.

Kershaw's spring assist fires pretty well, but unlike SOG, if the opening is disturbed or interrupted, the blade just sits there half open waiting to close on your fingers. I strongly prefer a full assisted SOG opening, or, even better, a Spyderco with a thumbhole. Once you get it down, it's just as fast as an assisted opener and way, way more positive and foolproof. And you are in control of the blade the whole time, and you don't have the added pressure while closing the blade that you get in an assisted opener. A Spyderhole is a lot better than flicking a flipper or thumbstud as well, IMO. You might have different tastes, I'm a Spyderco fanboy.


If you want tough, don't discount a Cold Steel. They come in many sizes including a 3" blade the size of the Blur. Once you break the lock in and sand down the G10, they are sharp, cheap, and the toughest folder you can buy. That Triad lock will not fail. And I actually prefer closing a backlock one handed to any other lock type.

Be sure to look at the Spyderco Manix 2 Lightweight, Spyderco Endura, Delica, or the Spyderco Salt 1 and Pacific Salt (100% rust proof, wear it in the pool or shower), and every other Spyderco ever made. Just sayin'.

For really good value, the Ontario RAT 1 or RAT 2 are absolutely amazing quality for the price.
 
9mmforMe said:
I just started with a light rap and you know what?...the damn knife folded. :what: I was shocked.
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Well...it is a folding pocket knife. ;)
The lock is just there to keep you from accidentally closing it on your fingers.

Seriously though, few liner locks will take much of a wack on the spine side of the blade without lock failure. Not that it should matter very much since a folding pocket knife shouldn't be subjected to spine side impacts unless it was designed to withstand such.
 
Thanks for the information, Noah. I too like the Spydercos, but not much experience with them. I'll give a good look around. :)
 
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