N.Y. Ban on .50's (worse then Kali)

[50 Shooter]

Legislation is expected to be heard today (Tuesday May 17) in the New York State Assembly Codes Committee that will ban the .50 caliber rifle.

The legislation (A4471), does allow for compensation by the state to current owners, but only at a "fair market value" (translated: whatever they feel like paying you and not to exceed $8,500). In addition, the law gives you only 30 days to dispose of your rifle and you must turn your rifle into the state police PERSONALLY.

Perhaps the most ludicrous portion of this legislation is the reasoning behind it: The same old gun-ban myths that have long ago been exposed. The bill "Summary," justifying the need for this legislation, heavily relies on a study that's nearly six years old and full of errors, such as the statement that there is "...absolutely no legitimate non-military purpose" for this caliber, a statement completely false as this caliber has been in regular, national, competitive use since 1985. Another old yarn is the statement that "....these powerful anti-personal weapons were designed for military purposes...." and have now, suddenly, "...appeared in the civilian market." It is a well-known fact that civilian sporting ownership of this rifle existed for a decade or more before the US military adopted its first design .50 caliber rifle.

But wait ! They don't stop there !

This legislation also, apparently, seeks to ban big-game hunting as ALL .50 caliber rifles are banned, not JUST the .50 BMG and Match Wildcat calibers. Presumably, the .505 Gibbs, 500 Jeffrey, .50 Alaskan, 500 Express, and even the 50 Sharps (circa 1870) "....pose such an imminent threat and danger to the safety and security of the people of this state that it is necessary to ban the possession and use of such weapons."

Buffalo Bill Cody wasn't a threat to NY State residents in the 19th Century, and you aren't a threat now.

New York residents should contact their legislators IMMEDIATELY and respectfully insist that they stop this legal nonsense.

You can find out who your legislators are and how to contact them by visiting this website:

http://www.assembly.state.ny.us/mem/

Do it today. And please pass this message along to your shooting colleagues

 

[nico]

does it just ban .50 caliber guns, or anything bigger than .50? ie: Would the law leave the .577 T-rex and .700 NE legal? Would it include muzzle loaders?

 

[50 Shooter]

Better check with your state gun reps., by the looks of it YES.

I hope you guys can beat it like Maine did theirs.

 

[nico]

well, I'm not in NY, but I'll have my fingers crossed for the folks who are. If it passes there, it'll only be a matter of time before we're fighting the same kind of BS bill.

 

[Standing Wolf]

Well, yeah, but we're not a police state.

 

[50 Shooter]

It's bad, real BAD!

http://assembly.state.ny.us/leg/?bn=A04471&sh=t

 

[Crosshair]

I hope the NRA is readdy to take this to the supreme court. By the looks of it they won't have to look far for a test case. Any news about the NRA's response to this BS.

 

[JG]

Just talked to Assemblyman Fitzpatrick's office.....he's not in codes today.

But if it should pass codes, the nice lady I spoke with assured me that he would absolutely "not" vote in favor of such legislation.

Get on the horn folks, even if you're out of State...call NY reps.

They didn't ask me for a phone # or name.

 

[RaggedClaws]

Email sent to my state legislator.

I can't wait to get out of this place.

 

[jobu07]

Yeah, if you look at the assembly website, you'll find all sorts of VERY BAD bills in there. But the key is that they are only bills and will not become laws. At least not for another decade or so. That is when the Democrats will take control of our State Senate as well. But, until they do gain control of the Senate, I doubt as if we'll see this sort of stuff pass the legislature. Bruno and the rest of the GOP don't have much left to cling to, but they generally don't waffle on issues where they can disagree. Thankfully, about 80% of this state is "upstate."
I call my legislators on a daily basis, is that enough?

 

[nico]

So, someone who owns a $105k H&H double rifle in .577 or .600, or a $150k double rifle in .700 H&H will get $8500 for their gun?

I know those are extreme examples, but those are guns currently being sold at H&H's shop in New York City.


And, what's the deal with this section:

20 2. WITHIN THIRTY DAYS OF THE EFFECTIVE DATE OF THIS SECTION, ANY
21 LICENSED FIREARM DEALER WHO HAS IN HIS OR HER POSSESSION A NEW 50-CALI-
22 BER WEAPON SHALL BE ENTITLED TO RETURN SUCH WEAPON TO THE DISTRIBUTOR OR
23 MANUFACTURER, AND SHALL BE ENTITLED TO A FULL REFUND, OR CREDIT, IN AN
24 AMOUNT EQUAL TO THE PURCHASE PRICE OF SUCH WEAPON. IN ANY CASE WHERE A
25 DISTRIBUTOR OR MANUFACTURER FAILS OR REFUSES TO SO REFUND OR CREDIT SUCH
26 DEALER, THE DEALER SHALL NOTIFY THE DIVISION OF STATE POLICE, AND IT
27 SHALL IMMEDIATELY NOTIFY THE ATTORNEY GENERAL SO THAT HE OR SHE MAY
28 INTERCEDE AND TAKE SUCH ACTIONS ON BEHALF OF THE DEALER TO SECURE SUCH
29 REFUND OR CREDIT.

So does that mean the state of New York is going to try to strongarm dealers outside of the state into giving refunds on guns they've already sold?

The SOBs who put their name on this bill should be drawn and quartered.

 

[Beethoven]

Bu...but....registration NEVER leads to confiscation!

 

[nico]

Actually, I think they skipped the registration step in this instance.

 

[Black_Talon]

Remember: "As goes California, so goes the Nation"

We got or 50 cal ban on Jan 1st of this year.

Currently in the works in Kali:

1) AB 357 which requires that EVERY BULLET, whether in a factory loaded round, or for use by reloaders, have a serial number on it. Bullets will be numbered in lots of 50.

2) AB 352 which requires every handgun sold in Kali to have a tiny marking on it which will be transferred to the cartridge cases when it's fired so that the fired case can be traced to the exact gun that fired it.

Both of these (and others, of course) are in the process of becoming law right now.

A couple that are already law:

1) Effective 1-1-2006. All pistols sold must have a loaded chamber indicator that's clearly visible from 24" away.

2) Effective 1-1-2007. All pistols sold in Kali must have a functioning magazine safety that will prevent the gun from being fired if there is not a magazine fully inserted in place.

Disclaimer: There may be small factual errors in this post, but you get the idea. YOU GUYS ARE NEXT!!!

 

[user203]

Heck...I can beat some of this...I belong to a GUN CLUB that actually bans the .50 B.M.G.

The president of the gun club is a teacher, and the only place he has authority is at the gun club, and the school, His wife runs things.

That said, A GUN CLUB BANNED THE USE OF A .50 B.M.G. But it did allow me the great oppertunity to get my AR-30, so when one door closes a good window opens.

 

[jobu07]

1) Effective 1-1-2006. All pistols sold must have a loaded chamber indicator that's clearly visible from 24" away.

2) Effective 1-1-2007. All pistols sold in Kali must have a functioning magazine safety that will prevent the gun from being fired if there is not a magazine fully inserted in place.

That's already law in CA? It is true that your representatives are leaders in the fight to "save the children" nationwide. I hope that doesn't leak out of the cracks...

 

[rick_reno]

Remember: "As goes California, so goes the Nation"

There is no way our Republican friends in Congress or the great 2nd Amendment supporter in the White House - George Bush - would EVER sign anti-gun legislation similar to what California has passed.

 

[nico]

Heck...I can beat some of this...I belong to a GUN CLUB that actually bans the .50 B.M.G.

that's interresting. Would you mind explaining a little more. I mean, there are plenty of ranges that don't have sufficient backstops for .50BMG, but just because they don't allow the round to be fired doesn't mean they necessarily have anything against it. At the pistol range I go to, you can't shoot anything more than a .44mag, but that doesn't mean they have anything against rifles or powerful handguns (they sell the S&W 500). They just don't have the facilities to deal with such cartridges.

 

[Black_Talon]

1) Effective 1-1-2006. All pistols sold must have a loaded chamber indicator that's clearly visible from 24" away.

2) Effective 1-1-2007. All pistols sold in Kali must have a functioning magazine safety that will prevent the gun from being fired if there is not a magazine fully inserted in place.

That's already law in CA? It is true that your representatives are leaders in the fight to "save the children" nationwide. I hope that doesn't leak out of the cracks...

You betcha. For a year or two now. At least they gave the gun makers plenty of lead time.